Big12 being shut out of CFB playoff is better for ISU, better for Big 12

[CyFan61]

I've shared this Big 12-ACC merger idea before. It seems like it could make sense for both conferences if it reaches the point where the Big Ten and SEC are looking to expand, GORs be damned.

This 24-school basketball conference could be the crown jewel of the sport without question. For football, things would be a little more interesting, but could work if conference semifinal games were possible.

Here's my thought on how it could work.

Northwest
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia


Southwest
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech


Northeast
Boston College
Clemson
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest


Southeast
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State

 

[randomfan44]

If a Big12 football team is again denied one of the playoff spots the urgency will build to expand the conference in order to create a championship game. The main reason the Big12 has not expanded - dilution of $ - will be offset by being the risk of being consistently denied the playoffs. Aside from the playoff issue, the Big12 is still a wobbly conference and will stay wobbly and vulnerable to poaching until it can expand into the standard structure of the other P5 conferences. ISU stands to gain from Big12 expansion - the long-term health of the Big12 is by far in the best interest of ISU. Additionally, the teams being most commonly discussed for expansion, along with a new round robin schedule, would give ISU a chance to grow as a competitive program, instead of facing the top 3 most difficult schedule in the nation year after year. In the best interest of the Big12 and of ISU I am rooting for the Big12 to be denied a CFB playoff spot this year.

It's actually "If a Big 12 football team is again unable to earn one of the playoff spots"... Okie State probably failed when it lost to Baylor, who failed when they lost to Oklahoma, who failed when it lost to Texas. The Big 12 finds itself rooting for Nebraska this Friday to beat Iowa at home which is a real possibility with the Huskers fresh off a home win over previously unbeaten Michigan State and with a bye week to help them prepare for Iowa. And they find themselves rooting for Stanford to beat Notre Dame at home this Saturday. The Big 12 teams just don't have the resumes on their own to pass a 1 loss Notre Dame (assuming they win @Stanford) or an undefeated Iowa (assuming they win @Nebraska and vs. Michigan State in the Big 10 title game).

 

[randomfan44]

I've shared this Big 12-ACC merger idea before. It seems like it could make sense for both conferences if it reaches the point where the Big Ten and SEC are looking to expand, GORs be damned. This 24-school basketball conference could be the crown jewel of the sport without question. For football, things would be a little more interesting, but could work if conference semifinal games were possible. Here's my thought on how it could work.

Northwest Iowa State Kansas Kansas State Louisville Pittsburgh West Virginia Southwest Baylor Oklahoma Oklahoma State TCU Texas Texas Tech Northeast Boston College Clemson Syracuse Virginia Virginia Tech Wake Forest Southeast Duke Florida State Georgia Tech Miami North Carolina North Carolina State

So Notre Dame just takes their basketball and goes home?

 

[randomfan44]

If the Media er TV and its sponsors had their way, they would have the following teams every year: Notre Dame with their Natl fanbase..... Ohio State/ Michigan.... East Coast- Midwest Fanbase with tons of TV sets Alabama Traditional SEC Power covers the south Univ of Southern California....Household name-Traditional West Coast power and then again tons of tv sets This playoff system is all about making money using eyeballs on tv sets to fulfill this task. Not many tv sets by comparison in big xii country..............Its easy to see that the selectors really want long time traditional powers.......... My neighbor is Honked off because thee unbeaten squawkeyes cant get any respect good luck ioa...LOL

Ohio State & Michigan aren't east coast teams, will never be viewed as east coast teams and do not have tons of television sets.

 

[randomfan44]

B12 is still lacking a fix for end of year.

WIN. Fixes everything.

 

[Cycsk]

I've shared this Big 12-ACC merger idea before. It seems like it could make sense for both conferences if it reaches the point where the Big Ten and SEC are looking to expand, GORs be damned.

This 24-school basketball conference could be the crown jewel of the sport without question. For football, things would be a little more interesting, but could work if conference semifinal games were possible.

Here's my thought on how it could work.

Northwest
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia


Southwest
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech


Northeast
Boston College
Clemson
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest


Southeast
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State

Uh, those divisions look to be a bit imbalanced for football.

 

[jahfg]

WIN. Fixes everything.

This is what I've been saying. The Big 12 was screwed by having the worst win percentage of any conference in the bowls last season. Because of Ohio State and Michigan State's win over Baylor, the Big Ten has received the benefit of the doubt this season. Before last season, the Big 10 was the laughingstock of college football every bowl season. Perception can change very fast, and all it takes is your top teams winning. Nobody remembers that the Big 10 West went 1-4 in bowls, and many weren't close. All they remember is Ezekiel Elliot streaking through Alabama's D.

 

[CyFan61]

So Notre Dame just takes their basketball and goes home?

Why not keep them around? Might as well roll with a 24 game conference schedule.

You'd need to host the conference tournament in a city with two venues. Top 8 teams get byes in a five-day tournament, using two arenas for the first two days. (Games per day: 8, 8, 4, 2, 1.) If you have 25 teams, might as well bring in #24 and #25 for a play-in game on the night before. The first ESPN 30 for 30 produced about this conference would be the 25-seed that wins six games in six days to make March Madness.

The idea is ludicrous anyway but made for an interesting thought experiment almost a year ago when I first posted that (post-Big 12 getting the shaft from the CFP committee)

 

[CyFan61]

Uh, those divisions look to be a bit imbalanced for football.

Probably better to have imbalance in a conference that has a semifinal/championship structure. Look at that Southwest division; if you're the best out of those 6 schools, you've got a great shot at winning the conference and going to the playoff, because the toughest competition you might have (that finished 2nd in the division) isn't playing anymore.

 

[TykeClone]

Uh, those divisions look to be a bit imbalanced for football.

They call that the "SEC & BIG 10" model

 

[Acylum]

So Notre Dame just takes their basketball and goes home?

Lots of rumors the ACC is about fed up with ND.

 

[Shawker]

They call that the "SEC & BIG 10" model

I don't know the SEC divisions well enough off the top of my head to comment on them, but the Big 10 divisions were done purely by geography. It just so happened the 3 best teams ended up in the East.

 

[CyFan61]

I don't know the SEC divisions well enough off the top of my head to comment on them, but the Big 10 divisions were done purely by geography. It just so happened the 3 best teams ended up in the East.

That's not really true though, right? The B1G did the competitive balance Legends and Leaders thing before changing their mind. It is now a geographic split, but the motive for doing so very well could have been to get the traditionally strongest programs in the same division because that's an advantage for the conference going into the CCG.

You want your best team to win the CCG, and that's more likely to happen when teams 1-3 are all in the same division rather than #1 in Legends and #2 in Leaders.

 

[VeloClone]

I don't know the SEC divisions well enough off the top of my head to comment on them, but the Big 10 divisions were done purely by geography. It just so happened the 3 best teams ended up in the East.

Really should have gone with divisions that were not geographical like - I don't know - Legends and Leaders.