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ShopTalk

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I'm not. ISU football is. But, I'm guessing you're feeling a bit queasy looking at that data right now.....

Not at all. I'm pretty excited about who Campbell has been bringing in. I'm not sure what your point of this thread has been. Maybe Campbell doesn't work out but I haven't been this excited about football in awhile. I also thoroughly enjoyed beating up on Texas regardless of the weather conditions. Im sorry you couldn't enjoy that, it was a lot of fun
 

ShopTalk

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Maybe you should move to Hawaii. At the very least, maybe try not to have your self worth determined by the play of a game by some 18-22 year olds.

I don't. Just tired of reading the "He's so great! He SOOO Much Better than Mac/Rhoads/etc" mindless merry go round that passes for intellegence here.

I get hoping for a turnaround. I get hoping the last remaining high value holdouts sign with ISU and hope they do. And ISU will still be near the bottom of the pack, average player rating wise.

I prefer reality over fantasy. Maybe that's the problem.
 

cyrocksmypants

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I don't. Just tired of reading the "He's so great! He SOOO Much Better than Mac/Rhoads/etc" mindless merry go round that passes for intellegence here.

I get hoping for a turnaround. I get hoping the last remaining high value holdouts sign with ISU and hope they do. And ISU will still be near the bottom of the pack, average player rating wise.

I prefer reality over fantasy. Maybe that's the problem.

I prefer taking with a grain of salt the recruiting sites evaluation of teenagers and prefer to wait and see how they perform on the field for us before declaring the sky is falling.
 

ShopTalk

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I don't think recruiting was CPR's main problem. The talent on this team was good enough to get to a bowl, his coaching skills weren't.

Not sure which camp you fall in, CPR apologist or one that expected to land a Tom Herman level coach. Or maybe just laying the foundation to say 'I told you so' if CMC doesn't perform as expected. In any case, I am sure you will have a variety of statistical approaches to indicate why we shouldn't see some hope and encouragement in CMC's approach.

To the Rhoads coaching point: Hiring Mangino was the official end of the Paul Rhoads era. Not having a o-coord coach who was a pound the ball B10/SEC pro-style guy with a little spread thrown in from the get go was his fatal flaw. He didn't build relationships of mutual respect and get along with his Offensive coaches along the way, or at least not good ones that would follow him to ISU. There was always visible discord with ALL of his offensive coordinators, usually seen on game day rants or weekly press day firings. That includes Hermann, who would dish it back. Not a good way to build a team.

On point two, I don't care. And the stats suggest it doesn't matter. They will get the same level of talent, regardless.

I leave one exception: When Harbaugh interviewed for the job and was "dropping F bombs duriing the interview" and likely using ISU to get a better deal elsewhere, Pollard should have called him out on it and said the following:

"It sure looks to me like you're trying to not get hired and are using me to get yourself more money where you think you want to go."

Regardless of Harbuaghs' BS response he immediately slides a contract to Harbaugh and says: So you have the job. Do you accept?

When he says he has to look it over and stalls, he says: "How much? Just put in the figure your agent says you're going to get at the other school and add a little more - but only if you sign it now."

When he balks and get up to walk out of the room, "You underestimate the value of having an ISU turnaround on your coaching resume. If Gene Chizik can go 5-17 and then get hired to win a national championship without the abiltiy to coach, imagine what it would do for you. And you underestimate you drawing power - or you fear the challenge."

And with that, Replace the Stanford rise to ISU, but probably lower level of success, like 9 win seasons. That is the biggest failure is recent ISU athletics. To have a bona fide coaching whale on campus interviewing and to not seal the deal.
 

ShopTalk

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I prefer taking with a grain of salt the recruiting sites evaluation of teenagers and prefer to wait and see how they perform on the field for us before declaring the sky is falling.

Wait, ISU losing in football is the norm. The sky isn't falling. But there isn't a fourth of July celebration taking place either, my beach buddy.
 

cyrocksmypants

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To the Rhoads coaching point: Hiring Mangino was the official end of the Paul Rhoads era. Not having a o-coord coach who was a pound the ball B10/SEC pro-style guy with a little spread thrown in from the get go was his fatal flaw. He didn't build relationships of mutual respect and get along with his Offensive coaches along the way, or at least not good ones that would follow him to ISU. There was always visible discord with ALL of his offensive coordinators, usually seen on game day rants or weekly press day firings. That includes Hermann, who would dish it back. Not a good way to build a team.

On point two, I don't care. And the stats suggest it doesn't matter. They will get the same level of talent, regardless.

I leave one exception: When Harbaugh interviewed for the job and was "dropping F bombs duriing the interview" and likely using ISU to get a better deal elsewhere, Pollard should have called him out on it and said the following:

"It sure looks to me like you're trying to not get hired and are using me to get yourself more money where you think you want to go."

Regardless of Harbuaghs' BS response he immediately slides a contract to Harbaugh and says: So you have the job. Do you accept?

When he says he has to look it over and stalls, he says: "How much? Just put in the figure your agent says you're going to get at the other school and add a little more - but only if you sign it now."

When he balks and get up to walk out of the room, "You underestimate the value of having an ISU turnaround on your coaching resume. If Gene Chizik can go 5-17 and then get hired to win a national championship without the abiltiy to coach, imagine what it would do for you. And you underestimate you drawing power - or you fear the challenge."

And with that, Replace the Stanford rise to ISU, but probably lower level of success, like 9 win seasons. That is the biggest failure is recent ISU athletics. To have a bona fide coaching whale on campus interviewing and to not seal the deal.

Something tells me you've never actually negotiated a contract.
 

ShopTalk

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Not at all. I'm pretty excited about who Campbell has been bringing in. I'm not sure what your point of this thread has been. Maybe Campbell doesn't work out but I haven't been this excited about football in awhile. I also thoroughly enjoyed beating up on Texas regardless of the weather conditions. Im sorry you couldn't enjoy that, it was a lot of fun

Well, it was more enjoyable than the Iowa, OSU, Tech, BU, OU, Toledo, TCU games to name a few.
 

ShopTalk

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Something tells me you've never actually negotiated a contract.

Since I'm arguing with fantasy believers, why not? And yes, I have. And since it's speculation, who knows how that would have gone?

And if I was negotiating, I might have had the wrestling coach and staff in the room with me to make sure Harbaugh could not leave. You don't not seal that deal if you really want the fantasy to come to ISU.

To his credit, he did get Harbaugh interested enough to use ISU. That is a step towards sealing the deal.
 
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cyrocksmypants

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It left me with a hollow feeling I did not anticipate. Like a cheap thrill - all sugar and no substance like too much cotton candy. Because I could see the talent differential and the weather's saving grace.

Wait, ISU losing in football is the norm. The sky isn't falling. But there isn't a fourth of July celebration taking place either, my beach buddy.

Is that a typical feeling you have for normal occurrences then?
 

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To the Rhoads coaching point: Hiring Mangino was the official end of the Paul Rhoads era. Not having a o-coord coach who was a pound the ball B10/SEC pro-style guy with a little spread thrown in from the get go was his fatal flaw. He didn't build relationships of mutual respect and get along with his Offensive coaches along the way, or at least not good ones that would follow him to ISU. There was always visible discord with ALL of his offensive coordinators, usually seen on game day rants or weekly press day firings. That includes Hermann, who would dish it back. Not a good way to build a team.

On point two, I don't care. And the stats suggest it doesn't matter. They will get the same level of talent, regardless.

I leave one exception: When Harbaugh interviewed for the job and was "dropping F bombs duriing the interview" and likely using ISU to get a better deal elsewhere, Pollard should have called him out on it and said the following:

"It sure looks to me like you're trying to not get hired and are using me to get yourself more money where you think you want to go."

Regardless of Harbuaghs' BS response he immediately slides a contract to Harbaugh and says: So you have the job. Do you accept?

When he says he has to look it over and stalls, he says: "How much? Just put in the figure your agent says you're going to get at the other school and add a little more - but only if you sign it now."

When he balks and get up to walk out of the room, "You underestimate the value of having an ISU turnaround on your coaching resume. If Gene Chizik can go 5-17 and then get hired to win a national championship without the abiltiy to coach, imagine what it would do for you. And you underestimate you drawing power - or you fear the challenge."

And with that, Replace the Stanford rise to ISU, but probably lower level of success, like 9 win seasons. That is the biggest failure is recent ISU athletics. To have a bona fide coaching whale on campus interviewing and to not seal the deal.

Tell you what, I am going to take your word for it because I don't have a ******* clue what you are talking about here.

I guess that is why I like CFB so much, I really don't have a clue what is going on. It has to be a heavy burden to have this kind of behind the scenes insight with the ability to understand the real implications of it. Must make watching the game difficult.

So help me out, how does all of this help us understand better how CMC is doing recruiting wise?
 

ShopTalk

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Funny...naw, I've seen this play before and just wanted to see if I couldn't coax out a different narrative.

Thought I'd go right to the end at the beginning and see what happens.

You know, the he's the savior to he's satan merry go round. The new guy walked on water once! The old guy butt flossed with towels, I know we're gonna win now! Recruiting is better - no, actually it's the same - shut up! He's the savior you terrible terrible pagan!

The dumb and dumber merry go round goes round and round and I'm on it. Again. So are you. Enjoy the dizziness, but be warned, before long you might get nauseous from all that spin.