OT: Making A Murderer on Netflix
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He obviously has an evil streak. You don't douse a pet in gasoline and burn it alive unless you have some pretty sick thoughts in your head (We all know there is a very high correlation between animal torture earlier in life and killing later in life). There was also the time he pulled a gun on a woman. Allegations he molested Brendan (Brendan is so slow and susceptible to suggest that you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt through). Dude certainly wasn't a nice guy.
To believe that the cops killed Halbach takes quite a degree of overthinking, and belief in a ridiculously unlikely series of events. I wouldn't put it mast them morally, but logistically it makes no sense, and the whole thing relies on the fact that Avery himself calling her multiple times (using *67) to get her to his property. I believe the cops manipulated evidence to support their case. I don't believe they set the whole thing up, murdered her, and burnt her body, then framed him for it.
Speaking of not overthinking - Occam's Razor would certainly point to Avery or a relative before any theory about the police setting the whole murder up and committing the deed.
I'm not saying that the police killed her. I'm saying that the police framed him to not pay him $36 million. They had to have been ****** as hell to admit what they did and found a way to eliminate an amount of money that would have crippled them. I've given my theories throughout this thread.
Boxer- I've followed the Twitter account of 0hour1 from the moment he/she began to "take the case" of Avery and dassey. 0hour1 said they are part of the anonymous group and put quite the effort in gathering information, examining what evidence they could post online and having a million eyes look at, and finding phone records etc. they gave all their info "to the appropriate people" about a week ago. He said there is nothing to do now but wait patiently. He says that there is so much info tainted, lied about, not admitted, excluded etc that it is laughable.
To me, the judge was about as bad as the cops were. You could tell he was basically doing whatever he could to make sure Avery was found guilty it seemed like.
Yes, that's what our justice system is supposed to be about. What's the phrase? "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers, unless Occam's Razor applies."
I just got through to episode 8 and this was the most meaningful thing in my mind. By pinning it on Avery right away they basically forced him to settle his lawsuit for a meager price in order to be able to defend himself.
After watching much of this last nite, I'm missing where people on here had swings of emotion back and forth. I thought the prosecution was dirty as hell the entire time, judge was just as culpable. At no time during the documentary thus far did I think, oh, thats damning evidence against Avery.
Avery's defense team was impressive in spite of all the restrictions the judge placed on them. If you were a juror and the prosecuter was in your face at the end of the trial saying how offensive it was to the state that the defense could point the finger at the cops for being dirty wouldn't you feel a little threatened? If I'm a juror who lives in that county I would probably fear for my life if I held out for a not guilty verdict.
7 orignally said ng, 3 undecided, and 2 guilty. of the 2 jurors who said guilty 1 was the father of a deputy on the police force (and also a volunteer with the dept during this time) and the other was a family member of the clerk of court. the father has been quoted as repeatedly saying "he's ******* guilty".
juror 11 was excused because his daughter had a car accident. the belief is the sheriff's dept set up the car accident to get him off the jury because they knew he wasn't wavering on his not guilty verdict. the jury was fearful after this accident and changted votes for their safety.
There is some speculation in the bolded part, but I wouldn't doubt it being the case.
Living a county over from the trial and listening to it daily when it happened (with minor interest), few people I know here think Avery is innocent though the trail really does lead to a lot of questions and speculations. People knew he was troubled and when falsely convicted and imprisoned, then released, it created and unleashed the beast.
What you see in the trial appears not too far removed from big crime trials in small towns and cities unfamiliar with such affairs (which sometimes works out for the better). Bungling, cops trying to get a conviction with flawed (and possibly fabricated) evidence with a suspect strongly indicated as a perpetrator (as far as can be supported evidentiarily and circumstantially). Is it likely Avery is guilty? If so, his stupefyingly naive nephew may be Avery's second victim after Halbach.
If not Avery there is a case to be made of a cops killing, burning, planting and concealing a conspiracy of some size. Avery can get a mistrial (I think) but is he innocent? Watching a good bit of the NetFlix's Doc I get the feeling I am watching "Ghost Hunters" and we are lead to believe there are ghosts. A ghost's reality is such that you only see (or record them unknowingly) in special places, with special equipment, at certain times, and with a widely open mind. I am not convinced of ghosts.
Finally his ex-finacee comes forth with her life with Avery and pretty much supports, as a first-person character witness, Avery's capabilities.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/13/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-s-ex-fiancee-claims-behind-closed-doors-he-s-a-monster.html
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Having heard this saying it is logically indicated that our system acts in essence as Occam's Razor. With Science, theories have the support of repeated observations where in court a lawyer's ability may be the razor within the law.
If her claims are true, let's see the letters. All the communication by phone is also recorded.
That sounds a lot like guilty until proven innocent which seemed to be a major problem with the trial. All of the jurors going into the trial were already very informed of the prosecutions side of things and had to have their minds changed.
Lol... it's really just to the point that I want everything in that area blown up so these people stop polluting the gene pool.
For me this documentary has become about the frightening place that NE Wisconsin is. It's so far north it's in the deep south.
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