Great, he's able to put up good counting stats while playing upwards of 32 minutes per game and playing in a system that increases the number of offensive possessions. He's a garbage man.
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Great, he's able to put up good counting stats while playing upwards of 32 minutes per game and playing in a system that increases the number of offensive possessions. He's a garbage man.
He's an elite rebounder and a freak athlete that is constantly putting pressure on the other team in transition. He is a perfect player for what ISU needs this year. 32 mpg is about perfect for him to average. Get your best players all the minutes they can handle
Actually, Basabe's advanced stats his senior year are almost identical to McKay's this year. Sinilar rebound rate, similar block rate, similar eFG%, similar TO rate and assist rates, etc. Like I said, McKay is able to put up stats because he plays a ton of minutes on an offense (and in a conference) that allows for a ton of offensive possessions.
McKay, the guy that Jay Bilas says runs the floor better than any big in America and is averaging almost a double-double a night, is just a garbage man? So does that make Woodbury a poor man's garbage man? Or a poor garbage man? Or a garbage poor man? Oh, I got it. He's garbage, poor man.
Love it. Truth is both are great players. I take Niang because of his leadership, clutch-factor, versatility, and what he means to the fanbase. Jok, while having grown a lot, is not as good at Matt Thomas in terms of defender. He may have more steals, but I highly doubt that Jok could put up the kind of defensive effort Matt did against Hield.
Someone earlier made a statement that opposing teams only have to prepare for Uthoff, while Niang has a supporting cast to make him look better. You are fooling yourself if you don't think that Niang is the number one player prepared for by ISU opposing teams. That is why he is so good. Stop him in the post, watch him turn into a guard. Play easy on the perimeter, watch him outplay your posts. Did you know he use to play with Nerlans Noel?
ISU is the better team in my opinion, because of the versatility and ability to score. I think there is no question on who is the more talented supporting cast. ISU runs into trouble with depth. If Naz were healthy, I don't think there would be a question as to which was the better team. Depth is what is really hurting ISU right now. ISU has also played lackluster defense against the front portion of the b12 slate. I think the lack of defensive effort can be attributed to depth concerns. But Iowa wins that category for sure.
Someone earlier made a statement that opposing teams only have to prepare for Uthoff, while Niang has a supporting cast to make him look better. You are fooling yourself if you don't think that Niang is the number one player prepared for by ISU opposing teams. That is why he is so good. Stop him in the post, watch him turn into a guard. Play easy on the perimeter, watch him outplay your posts. Did you know he use to play with Nerlans Noel?
ISU is the better team in my opinion, because of the versatility and ability to score. I think there is no question on who is the more talented supporting cast. ISU runs into trouble with depth. If Naz were healthy, I don't think there would be a question as to which was the better team. Depth is what is really hurting ISU right now. ISU has also played lackluster defense against the front portion of the b12 slate. I think the lack of defensive effort can be attributed to depth concerns. But Iowa wins that category for sure.
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Yes, usually when your one of the best on your team you play a lot of minutes. Josh Oglesby averaged more minutes than Basabe did in his senior year. Like I said, horrible comparison
"Also, I think our players forgetting how to inbound a basketball at the end of the game might be more impactful than Uthoff not hitting 1 shot."
It was said the Hawkeye players screwed the play up at the end........was he on the floor? Just using a hawk fan's own words.
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Wasn't Uthoff the one who forgot how to inbound a basketball at the end of the game?
Earlier you were all about comparing stats between Niang and Uthoff, now you are blatantly ignoring them. What gives?
McKay's offensive numbers this year are the same as last year, only he has shown significant regression as a shot blocker and defender in general. The only difference is he now plays more minutes out of necessity than he did last year, allowing him more time to accumulate stats.
Basabe is actually a pretty great comparison for McKay. McKay is a more athletic version of Basabe, without the mid-range jumper. Their advanced statistics across the board are nearly identical He may be a perfect fit for what Iowa State needs, but that doesn't make him a great player.
Only a Hawk fan would call the reigning Big 12 defensive player of the year an average defender. You are a complete moron that has zero clue what he is talking about. We haven't had anyone like him since Cato who was elite.
If McKays games is based entirely off athleticism what is Woodbury's game based off of? Being the most uncoordinated ogre in college basketball?
What do last season's accomplishments have to do with this season? McKay has regressed significantly on the defensive end this year. Even then, the only reason McKay won it last year is because he blocked a lot of shots. He has never been a great individual defender.
Woodbury's game is based off being bigger than everyone else. He's very bad athletically and still doesn't have much for back to the basket moves. He has developed a pretty decent mid-range jumper though.
His offensive numbers are better this year and he was a great player last year. Basabe is a horrible comparison, Basabe wasn't even good enough to get more minutes than Oglesby.
Burton is actually a pretty great comparison for Uthoff. They have similar offensive ratings, rebounding and assists rates. Uthoff is a better shot blocker but Burton is a better shooter. So yeah you could say that is actually a pretty great comparison.
(see how stupid that sounds even though advanced statistics back it up?)
Stylistically Basabe and McKay were very similar (garbage men relying on length/athleticism). They also have nearly identical stats. Even Basabe's freshman year is very similar to McKay this year, and Basabe played about 25 minutes per game that year (not far off McKay's minutes from last year).
The Uthoff to Burton comparison is garbage because they are not similar players and Burton has never played significant minutes.
I think what he meant to say is he is horrible on both offense and defense but he sure is big and unathletic.
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