NOW isn't the time! Not this time.
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While I'm not as willing to throw these guys under the bus, I do agree with this. If we want to be a blueblood (ok, tuco, just stifle) then yes, we do need to sweep teams like TT. And OSU, and KSU, etc.
We're not there yet - we have 5 or 6 guys trying like hell to win games when they're outnumbered and dog-tired.
Lol...OK. Just because there is something unquantifiable about the outcome of close games doesn't mean it is always just luck. Sometimes yes. But I have watched enough sports to know that there are some teams that perform well or poorly in the clutch. Calling it "luck" is ******** IMO.
Then why doesn't "clutchness" follow players or coaches? If it was really something more than luck you would see certain teams consistently ranked high in that category, meaning they excelled in close games. What happened to guys like Niang and Monte who were part of that team that was great in close games two years ago but has struggled this year, did they suddenly lose their "clutch" gene?
Question: if McKay isn't a team player, does "supporting the team" really mean supporting McKay?
I believe my thread referred to "last night was not the time" because its easy to jump on a team when they're down, who I think gave it their all. No, I don't support his actions/whining that lead to the suspension, because that's what some fans do when things don't go their way. Let's all attack the coach and the players, I'm sure that will make everyone more happy. Of course, I support him stepping up, learning from his mistakes, and hope he's returning to being a good teammate.
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Yes, I have heard this same debate before numerous times. Guys don't really get in the zone, confidence of a team has nothing to do with it, its all just "luck". When a team gets hot it's just like getting hot at the craps table. Sorry, I don't buy that. It's a game played by people, and there are tons of factors that go in to how people or a person plays on any given night and any given situation that aren't quantifiable but are more than just luck.
I'd didn't say anything about a clutch gene. Where are you guys getting this. Just point me to the source material so I can read it.
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You're too hung up on the use of the word Luck. Use a different word there if you prefer. It's just the term he used to explain the deviation in expected vs actual outcome. We are losing a lot of close games that in years past we won. That is all I was presenting, you seem to be taking it as I'm saying our losses are from some sort of "bad luck".
You don't have to buy it, there are hundreds of DI teams that play dozens of games a season and for almost a couple decades those games have been closely charted and it is statistically proven that end game scenarios are essentially a crap shoot. You can argue til the cows come home, but I'm going to trust the numbers over your gut feeling.
Yeah, I am getting hung up on the word luck. To me it insinuates the outcome in close games is totally out of the teams control which I have a serious problem with.
Did you read what I wrote? I said "if we WANT to be". We aren't there yet, by any stretch of the imagination......but if we WANT to be there, then that's what we have to do.
It has nothing to do with guts. These games are not played in a vacuum by a bunch of robots. Its not a science experiment with controlled variables. Sometimes a team does everything they can to win a game and the last shot doesn't fall, and sometimes, like last night, they make terrible decisions that result in the loss of a close game. Does luck play a role, sure. But to say it plays an equal role in every outcome is stupid.
Yeah I did read it. The fact blue blood is even mentioned is ridiculous. Everyone wants to be a blue blood basketball program. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I can't believe you're even mentioning it like it's in the realm of possibility. This was supposed to be THE TEAM for us. Instead they have been a disappointment and things are going to get much worse next year.
Occasionally teams like Iowa State can put together special seasons and possibly compete for a National Championship. Blue blood programs are in that National Title conversation most years. That's not, and never will be Iowa State or Iowa or UNI or a number of other very good basketball programs in this region who simply don't have the same advantages that those schools do.
