Fred

[jsb]

Hoiberg turned this program from a doormat to a consistent winner. That's something we should all be grateful for.

But Fred's success the last couple of years was hinged upon some buzzer beaters and very close key wins. Those even out eventually. It's no coincidence that this year's team and last year's team have basically the same stats. We are just losing more close games which is bound to happen. Plus we play more good teams this year that we have in the past.

And Fred set up the team to benefit himself. In the long held tradition of Iowa state coaches since 1994, he stopped recruiting when he was no longer interested in it.

But he is living his life long dream, so I am nothing but thrilled for him. I just hope he meant that more than when he said his dream was to coach at Iowa state and have his sons play for him. (I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, we will find out his actual one true dream was to coach at Duke or North Carolina or some other CBB powerhouse.)

 

[kingcy]

I don't fault him for taking the $$$.

I just figured that, at some point, the $$$ has to have some diminishing return for him. He made plenty as a player and plenty coaching in Ames for any mortal being.

Glory/ego/accomplishment matters to somebody of his stature, as well. Take $$$$$ to walk into a bad situation in Chicago... Or take slightly less (again, at that scale, diminishing returns) to walk into a much better situation with a young, talented roster, supportive ownership, low expectations, and players that match his style in someplace like Minnesota? Or just be a legend in Ames and make $2-$3 mil forever?

I just feel there had to be better ways to maximize both his basketball *and* financial return, if you assume there is some trade-off there. In particular, consider that he might not survive the Bulls job and forever have this "farm boy who could win in college but couldn't hack it in the NBA" label attached to him, which could have killed an otherwise long and *extremely* lucrative career with Wiggins and KAT kicking *** for him.

He could have had similar amounts of money under much more conducive circumstances.

He gets to live in a house that looks like a castle now. Not many of those in Ames. Hell any pay increase he got is probably going into that house alone.

 

[awd4cy]

Not hate but disappointment that he strung everyone along and left the cupboards bare

Left the cupboards bare? LOL! Not go back to 2010 when McDermott left. That was leaving the cupboards bare.

 

[jsb]

Left the cupboards bare? LOL! Not go back to 2010 when McDermott left. That was leaving the cupboards bare.

he left DG and Melbin and Jake Anderson.

Fred left us a GREAT team. Monte and Georges are two of the best to play here. I am beyond thankful that Fred was here for 5 years. It was a fun ride. He gets a lot of credit for what this team has accomplished.

But it's clear that he neglected his job and prohm will pay the price for that.

 

[kingcy]

Most fans are greatful for what Fred did in Ames. Most are mad he left. The thing that bugs me about Fred is the way the whole thing went down. The 2 years of interviews, the lack of young talent left behind, the disappoint last season, and a few other little things.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Left the cupboards bare? LOL! Not go back to 2010 when McDermott left. That was leaving the cupboards bare.

cupboard bare = did not leave a team of 10 guys that could all start anywhere in the country but choose to sit on the bench at ISU instead.

 

[CyJack13]

This year has obviously not gone well for Fred and the Bulls but the only way I don't see him fulfilling his contract is if GarPax gets fired and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in the day to day operations of the Bulls aside from advising them to stay under the luxury tax level.

 

[jsb]

cupboard bare = did not leave a team of 10 guys that could all start anywhere in the country but choose to sit on the bench at ISU instead.

cupboard bare=not recruiting any freshman that would have an impact on the team since Monte and Matt. And completely ******* Iowa state over with last years recruiting.

 

[Gunnerclone]

cupboard bare=not recruiting any freshman that would have an impact on the team since Monte and Matt. And completely ******* Iowa state over with last years recruiting.

So if Diallo signs with ISU in April, do you think he's not going to ask for and be granted his release when Hoiberg goes to the Bulls?

 

[jsb]

This year has obviously not gone well for Fred and the Bulls but the only way I don't see him fulfilling his contract is if GarPax gets fired and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in the day to day operations of the Bulls aside from advising them to stay under the luxury tax level.

fred shouldn't be fired and he will probably be successful.

But I have no idea why Gar Pax still have jobs. The Bulls have done nothing while they've been in charge.

 

[CyJack13]

fred shouldn't be fired and he will probably be successful.

But I have no idea why Gar Pax still have jobs. The Bulls have done nothing while they've been in charge.

They've been the top seed in the East twice. They drafted extremely well up until the past few seasons.

 

[jsb]

So if Diallo signs with ISU in April, do you think he's not going to ask for and be granted his release when Hoiberg goes to the Bulls?

maybe Fred shouldn't have gone all in on diallo since he ******* knew he wasn't going to be the head coach. He should have recruited other players that probably would have stayed with Iowa state even with a coaching change. Most players do that.

What fred did was only bother to recruit one guy and then in March when he and GarPax knew that he would be the Bulls coach, he just handed him over to another team.

I know I'm the only person that thinks this but I think that Fred (who has more than enough money to live the rest of his life on) should have resigned from Iowa state in March. I am positive that the agreement with the Bulls was already in place.

 

[Go2Guy]

I get the Fred-Frustration here, but what concerns me is the Prohm-hate and the idiotic comments that Fred will come back here to coach (implying we're gonna fire Prohm).
Can *stoopid* look any more different ?

 

[jsb]

They've been the top seed in the East twice. They drafted extremely well up until the past few seasons.

twice since Jordan? Well that's amazing. I was under the impression that the Bulls were the best job in the world. That type of job makes it seem like you could maybe make the finals once in 15 years.

 

[jsb]

I get the Fred-Frustration here, but what concerns me is the Prohm-hate and the idiotic comments that Fred will come back here to coach (implying we're gonna fire Prohm).
Can *stoopid* look any more different ?

thats a form of denial.

 

[ClonesTwentyOne]

 

[CyJack13]

twice since Jordan? Well that's amazing. I was under the impression that the Bulls were the best job in the world. That type of job makes it seem like you could maybe make the finals once in 15 years.

How long do you think Gar has been GM of the Bulls? His first couple years with the Bulls were about as good of a run as you'll find with an NBA front office.

 

[clonedude]

I'm not sure what to think about Fred. It's puzzling to me.

He claimed he loved ISU and would only leave ISU if he could go to the NBA, but then he was interviewing for the Gophers job. Now that didn't make any sense whatsoever. I still think he didn't like something here... whether it was JP or something else, I don't know, but make no mistake, Fred was wanting out of here pretty bad for some reason?

And then deciding to go to the Bulls didn't make any intelligent sense either, unless all you care about is money, but Fred doesn't seem like a guy that cares only about money. Anyone with half a brain could see how bad of a job the Bulls job was. No cap room, and a roster full of old deteriorating guys. I know Fred was smart enough to see what a disaster that job was going to be, so why take it? Was it all about the money?

As someone else said, I care only about ISU, not Fred Hoiberg. He can do whatever he wants, but I feel no loyalty in continuing to support him. I wish no harm to him of course, but it wouldn't bother me in the least either if he discovers in the end what a big mistake it was in leaving ISU. People always think it's going to be greener somewhere else, but that isn't always the case. Sometimes you just need to realize just how good you have it.

He was the hometown hero in Ames, and in Chicago nobody cares about Fred Hoiberg at all. They want him gone already. So I guess you make your own bed, now you have to sleep in it. Unfortunate IMO.

 

[HFCS]

I've been a Bulls fan a lot longer than an ISU fan and lived in Chicago 15 years, they are easily my "other" team in all of sports besides ISU. I really didn't know how I'd feel about Fred taking over. The answer was I really liked it early on when the team was doing well and could easily enjoy watching both teams.

With this huge slide the Bulls are on (combined with ISU's depth problems being the only reason we aren't close to a 1 seed) I can barely watch the Bulls anymore. The Bulls roster should not be a .500 team. It can't even be blamed on Fred not having his players for his system. Jimmy Butler is a top 10 player on the planet for any system, maybe top 5. The guy is an absolute stud. Then you've got a few players like Nico and McDermott who actually should be Fred's type of player, a guy like Gibson who can defend like crazy but still score efficiently too, Gasol who is still a guy who gets a double double in his sleep. Fred will get next year to turn things around but I can't spin it.

In the first 30 games or so when the Bulls were in 2nd 4th place haters and typical Chicago sports media were trying to spin him as a failure which looked idiotic because there was tons of reason for optimism, there's not really any positive spin now though.

 

[Gunnerclone]

maybe Fred shouldn't have gone all in on diallo since he ******* knew he wasn't going to be the head coach. He should have recruited other players that probably would have stayed with Iowa state even with a coaching change. Most players do that.

What fred did was only bother to recruit one guy and then in March when he and GarPax knew that he would be the Bulls coach, he just handed him over to another team.

I know I'm the only person that thinks this but I think that Fred (who has more than enough money to live the rest of his life on) should have resigned from Iowa state in March. I am positive that the agreement with the Bulls was already in place.

Lol...no, no they don't. Especially not ones that go other places no problem.