Briles Out

CycloneErik

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Look at the violations that the NCAA announced regarding the Bliss case. You don't see anything about the murder or its coverup in there. The violations were about him paying the tuition of players, recruiting violations, lying to investigators, and failure to report positive drug test violations. Those are all things the NCAA has specific rules about. They didn't really touch on the murder coverup. The NCAA imposed sanctions for things that are within their scope and didn't go much, if at all, beyond that.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. I just want pants to write a manifesto.
 

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Look at the violations that the NCAA announced regarding the Bliss case. You don't see anything about the murder or its coverup in there. The violations were about him paying the tuition of players, recruiting violations, lying to investigators, and failure to report positive drug test violations. Those are all things the NCAA has specific rules about. They didn't really touch on the murder coverup. The NCAA imposed sanctions for things that are within their scope and didn't go much, if at all, beyond that.

So why did the NCAA step in and impose the sanctions during the Penn State fiasco...
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I think the firing of the coach that single handedly built up the program from one of the worst in the history of the sport and made them a perennial top 5 to top 10 team will do hundreds of more times damage to the program, athletic department and school then forfeiting two meaningless games.

Man, I hope you are right. Unfortunately I think they are at the point facilities wise and talent wise, they weather the storm. At least this year recruiting should take a hit, guess will see who they hire long term. The whole negotiating a buyout of Briles contract will be interesting.
 

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So why did the NCAA step in and impose the sanctions during the Penn State fiasco...

pretty simple. Mob mentality. The outcry from the public was so great, (because it was such a terrible scandal) that they went above and beyond their normal scope to take their pound of flesh, too. It was pure PR for them. And what was the result? Their stiff penalties were ended early. Their own emails uncovered that their own people didn't think they had the power to impose the sanctions that they levied. They were facing multiple lawsuits. And they backed down instead of facing them. The further out we get from the Penn State scandal, the more evident it is that the NCAA was bluffing their way through the whole thing. I don't think they're going to make the same mistake again. As I said in another thread, I think the most likely thing to happen is a token acknowledgement of the actions that Baylor has taken (firing the coach, most notably) and that will be about it. I don't think they're going to stick their neck out again.
 

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Can't wait for the Feds to grille Starr about his lack of action after women came to him with abuse claims.
Feds to Kenneth-- So you're claiming those players 'did not have sex with those women?'
 

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Can't wait for the Feds to grille Starr about his lack of action after women came to him with abuse claims.
Feds to Kenneth-- So you're claiming those players 'did not have sex with those women?'

Could you define 'not'?
 

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pretty simple. Mob mentality. The outcry from the public was so great, (because it was such a terrible scandal) that they went above and beyond their normal scope to take their pound of flesh, too. It was pure PR for them. And what was the result? Their stiff penalties were ended early. Their own emails uncovered that their own people didn't think they had the power to impose the sanctions that they levied. They were facing multiple lawsuits. And they backed down instead of facing them. The further out we get from the Penn State scandal, the more evident it is that the NCAA was bluffing their way through the whole thing. I don't think they're going to make the same mistake again. As I said in another thread, I think the most likely thing to happen is a token acknowledgement of the actions that Baylor has taken (firing the coach, most notably) and that will be about it. I don't think they're going to stick their neck out again.

I agree with this. All of the NCAA's bylaws/rules are about amateurism and basically not paying players.

There are no NCAA bylaws/rules saying you can't sexually assault women. That's the US Gov't's territory there.

Let the NCAA find out a Baylor player were riding around in a new car that was given to him by a booster, they'd be in there handing out sanctions faster than you could blink.
 

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Its amazing to me that people in positions of power like the Baylor staff / UL basketball / etc feel like they can get away with this kind of stuff in 2016. In the 70s maybe. Heck even in the early 2000's maybe. But with social media and digital records of everything it is almost impossible to get away with anything anymore when you are so visible.

I mean all it takes is 1 person to blow the whistle and a federal court can seize everything and read all of your emails, texts, etc for the last 5-10 years.
 

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I just don't get the don't punish the innocent rationale. Yes there are some innocents harmed whenever someone is punished. Do the wife and kids of a drug dealer get hurt when the DEA seizes assets and the dealer ends up in the pokey? Absolutely. However the family profited from the illegal activity so they are not entirely innocent.

In this case other players on the team profited (see winning and all that comes with it) from a program that was keeping players eligible by sweeping illegal activity under the rug. While they may be innocent, they profited from the concealment of the illegal activity so they are not entirely innocent. Giving players who had nothing to do with the activity free ability to transfer is more than enough concession.

Plus if the school isn't punished they have no real incentive make sure it doesn't happen. If it is just the violator, they give a ice severance ad move on to the next cheater/slime ball who will do what it takes to win.
 

IAStubborn

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Yeah, I won't judge the fan base dependent solely on those few fans either. Every fan base would have those occasional posters. Hell, we had one right in this thread saying he'd be ok with JP hiring Briles knowing everything that he did. You can't let the few idiots stand for your entire base.

There were only a couple posters that said this was the right thing, the vast majority are crying foul and a handful are crying foul "unless there is a smoking gun" connecting Briles directly in the report. I found there site pretty disturbing. This is cut and dry malfeasance.
 

IAStubborn

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So why did the NCAA step in and impose the sanctions during the Penn State fiasco...

Public demands, too big not to etc. It was not an athletic issue though. But it was an issue with the culture of sport worship.
 

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