Game of Thrones Season 6

[EnhancedFujita]

I don't see the Vale fighting for Cersei. 1) Littlefinger doesn't technically have the power to order the troops down there and how he manipulated Robin into doing it to aid Sansa was Robin's crush for her (which I believe she will use to to bring down Littlefinger) 2) Little finger isn't going to put his army into harms way like that, he's much more likely to wait for the chaos and try to take out whoever is left standing

I also don't see Jon coming down to Kings Landing or her going to Winterfell to ask for his help.

I do think we're likely to see Euron align with Cersei (and there may be a marriage proposal to him in exchange for his help) but ultimately I think it will be Jamie who ends the war by killing his sister.

The wall is broken in the last episode of next season setting up the final season.

I based my thoughts on a few things. If LF is giving up on marrying Sansa, and he still wants to sit on the Iron Throne, well there is a queen without a king right now. I doubt it happens, and its much more likely that Euron teams up with Cersei since he has a navy to combat what Dany has. The show has been working hard at getting everyone in the same place this season. Now they're all in Westeros but the main characters that need to form an alliance are on opposite ends of the continent. I just think its more likely that the northern's get driven south than Dany taking KL and deciding to go up north, unless they can somehow convince her of the WW threat.

 

[carvers4math]

Tyrion was the best Hand aside from Tywin that we have seen IMO. He is as well read as a Maester with Tywin's cunning.

I just never seem to like the popular characters nearly as much as others do. Tyrion has a lot of weaknesses especially when it comes to women. At least in the books, I am not overly sympathetic to his murder of Shae; she was put in a position where she didn't have much choice in trying to save her own neck, which he strangled. And his disdain for Penny is ironic given how he feels when he sees that same look from Sansa.

 

[Orin02]

I just read through a lot of pages of comments. I'm going to try to contribute.

1) In the Tower of Joy scene Lyana clearly says "His name is Aerys." She's saying that Jon Snow's name is really Aerys, after his grandfather, the mad king.

2) While Jon and Sansa are not brother and sister, they are cousins and they have lived their whole lives as brother and sister. Anyone who envisions some kind of romantic scenario between them is crazy.

3) Jon might be a bastard but who cares at this point? He IS the King in North and the entire Northern power, plus the Aerie is behind him. He legitimizes himself.

4) Related to #2, Sansa is never going to marry again unless it is completely on her terms. She will never allow someone else to have power over her.

5) Dany is going to marry someone. It will be a political marriage, not one for love. She and Jon make perfect sense. He wants to stop the undead, she will help make that happen.

6) Tyrion is not married to Sansa. They did not consummate that marriage. Also, Tyrion will never love another. Much the same way that Sansa has been damaged emotional, so has Tyrion by Tywin.

7) I don't believe Sansa knew exactly when the KoV were coming. She was urging Jon to wait but she didn't know for how long. Yes, television has horrible coincidences.

8) There is no conflict with Sansa and Jon. Look at how happy she is for him when they are proclaiming him King in the North. LF might try but she is not dumb Sansa anymore. She is much more cunning. Look at the way she rebuffed LF in the Godswood. She never told him no and she was gentle. She even said something about how it is a nice picture he has in his head.

9) Tyrion was an amazing Hand of the King.

10) Why would Dany land in Dorne and then slog up the continent? There's only one place she is landing and that is Dragonstone. Followed shortly after by King's Landing.

11) There is no Cersei's alliance. She has run out of time. She is the ruler of nothing except the Western Heartlands, maybe the Storm Lands, the Riverlands and King's Landing. All of that means very little when it comes to armies. Cersei's problem is that she has always had Tywin's ruthlessness without his long term strategic vision.

12) No way Littlefinger can leave. He declared for the Starks.

13) I think we can firmly put away all the various Arya theories. There is no reason for her to declare, to an empty room and Walder Frey, that she is Arya Stark. Look for Arya to have somehow attached herself to Jaime's camp and make her way to KL.

 

[State43]

What tension are people seeing between Sansa and Jon? To me, she came clean with him and turned her back to LF and it was clear. When they showed Sansa and LF looking at each other during the king of the North chants, he was glaring and she was uncomfortable telling LF to kick rocks on his offer.

 

[State43]

I don't think it'll be between Jon and Sansa, I think LF is going to be the instigator. The only thing is, I don't ever see Sansa leaving the North again, making her the Queen is his only leverage, if she doesn't want that, he has nothing. The only tension between Sansa and Jon will be if LF can convince her to turn on Jon. Sansa was happy to see the Lords of the North support Jon, until she saw how LF reacted. IMO the exchange of glances at the end of that scene was Sansa realizing that LF's plans are out the window if Jon is the Warden of the North. She realized who the next enemy is.

Ding ding

 

[ThatllDoCy]

What tension are people seeing between Sansa and Jon? To me, she came clean with him and turned her back to LF and it was clear. When they showed Sansa and LF looking at each other during the king of the North chants, he was glaring and she was uncomfortable telling LF to kick rocks on his offer.

I am speaking from the inside the episode after BoB and WoW. The actors and I think Benioff discuss it.

 

[runbikeswim]

I don't see why everyone is so bothered by Sanda not telling Jon. A - The men in the war room didn't welcome or even seek her advice. B - Did she really know of LF would back her or back Bolton, so why divulge?

Could be interesting twist. All this drama about who Jon is among us fans, what if no one ever finds out. That would be so GMMR....

I guess now that with so many "evil" characters getting their deserves, we need a new evil villain to really disise (Cersei) was putting on her commencement attire before the fire was set. So, even though she tried to protect Tommen,did she know in her heart that Tommen would commit suicide without his precious Margery?

 

[Angie]

6) Tyrion is not married to Sansa. They did not consummate that marriage. Also, Tyrion will never love another. Much the same way that Sansa has been damaged emotional, so has Tyrion by Tywin.

7) I don't believe Sansa knew exactly when the KoV were coming. She was urging Jon to wait but she didn't know for how long. Yes, television has horrible coincidences.

I'm going to narrow it down to just these two:

6 - I don't remember it saying in the books anywhere (or the show) that you had to consummate the the marriage in order for it to be valid. It was in front of the 7, it was legitimized by his house (since none remained of hers at the time).

7 - People have been trying this logic for a week, but it's silly. She never said anything about anything to Jon other than to wait - that doesn't mean that she knew anymore than it means she didn't. And yet she somehow managed to meet up with Littlefinger (because she was at the Battle of the Bastards with him) at just the right time, and it just HAPPENED to be during the middle of a battle, and just HAPPENED to be at the exact moment that Bolton's forces were decimated and he could sweep in and win? Come on. That doesn't seem too inconvenient?

 

[Clark]

I'm going to narrow it down to just these two:

6 - I don't remember it saying in the books anywhere (or the show) that you had to consummate the the marriage in order for it to be valid. It was in front of the 7, it was legitimized by his house (since none remained of hers at the time).

7 - People have been trying this logic for a week, but it's silly. She never said anything about anything to Jon other than to wait - that doesn't mean that she knew anymore than it means she didn't. And yet she somehow managed to meet up with Littlefinger (because she was at the Battle of the Bastards with him) at just the right time, and it just HAPPENED to be during the middle of a battle, and just HAPPENED to be at the exact moment that Bolton's forces were decimated and he could sweep in and win? Come on. That doesn't seem too inconvenient?

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

 

[runbikeswim]

one of my favorite lines from the show,

"winter is here," "well, dad always promised." lol

 

[srjclone]

Dany's prophecy of Three's "Three fires must you light...one for lifeand one for death and one to love... three mounts must you ride...one to bed and one to dread and one to love... three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love..."

 

[Angie]

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

If I remember from the books, I think so. I think it was shocking to Catelyn when it happened to her and Ned?

 

[State43]

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

LF clearly told Roose the marriage doesn't hold because they never consummated

 

[pulse]

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

They talked about it last season when Littlefinger was talking to the Boltons about Ramsay marrying Sansa. Sansa isn't married to Tyrion.

 

[Orin02]

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

Not as far as I can tell. I think it is a Westeros thing. Angie, your logic is straining my head. "That doesn't mean that she knew anymore than it means she didn't." What? You can choose to interpret it either way. I am choosing to interpret it my way. And I am making allowances that Sansa ended up next to Peter because this is a visual medium, television, and it makes a much more powerful image if they are next to each other when the KoV crush the Boltons. And no, that is not too convenient, it is just television. I am 100% certain that if something like this happens in the books it will make a lot more sense.

Another similar thing, in the books Lady Mormont isn't dead. The character of Lyanna Mormont doesn't exist as far as I know. D&D chose to make her a character so that a little girl could stand up and shame the great Northern Lords. That is it. Her attitude and all makes it work but it only works because it is television.

 

[boone7247]

LF clearly told Roose the marriage doesn't hold because they never consummated

Right, but aren't we just drawing the distinctions between what the south and north believe. LF doesn't care one way or the other, he wanted Sansa at Winterfell because he wanted to sweep in and defeat Stannis or Roose after the battle, marry Sansa and then attack KL when the time was right. He would tell any lie to get his way.

If you want to argue that Sansa will say it wasn't consummated I will believe that, but anything that came out of LF mouth is just words to get to an end.

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't see why everyone is so bothered by Sanda not telling Jon. A - The men in the war room didn't welcome or even seek her advice. B - Did she really know of LF would back her or back Bolton, so why divulge?

Could be interesting twist. All this drama about who Jon is among us fans, what if no one ever finds out. That would be so GMMR....

I guess now that with so many "evil" characters getting their deserves, we need a new evil villain to really disise (Cersei) was putting on her commencement attire before the fire was set. So, even though she tried to protect Tommen,did she know in her heart that Tommen would commit suicide without his precious Margery?

She was already with Littlefinger on the battlefield when the Vale Knights charged. If she was worried about which side they would take, why would she potentially put herself in harm's way, by being right next to the army that might betray her? Doesn't make sense. It's a plot hole in the story. No two ways about it. There's no plausible explanation for why she wouldn't have let him know ahead of time.

 

[carvers4math]

What is Littlefinger's greater obsession, power or Catelyn?

If they ever bring on Lady Stoneheart, would be nice if she got rid of that punk.

 

[pulse]

Right, but aren't we just drawing the distinctions between what the south and north believe. LF doesn't care one way or the other, he wanted Sansa at Winterfell because he wanted to sweep in and defeat Stannis or Roose after the battle, marry Sansa and then attack KL when the time was right. He would tell any lie to get his way.

If you want to argue that Sansa will say it wasn't consummated I will believe that, but anything that came out of LF mouth is just words to get to an end.

You're overthinking it. It's a TV show not a novel.

 

[Mr Janny]

What is Littlefinger's greater obsession, power or Catelyn?

If they ever bring on Lady Stoneheart, would be nice if she got rid of that punk.

I'm now 100% convinced we'll see no LSH. The death of Walder Frey was what sealed it. They're not going to bring in LSH if she's not going to be able to get revenge on the Frey's.