Game of Thrones Season 6

[boone7247]

Plenty of reason to not tell Jon.

Lets think about what happens if he knows.

He probably elects to delay, waiting for the knights to get there.

Ramsay would figure out he now is at a disadvantage, likely would retreat into winterfell, this time more able to withstand a siege (this time it didnt work out as his army was largely beaten by the time he got back into the walls).

Ultimately, Jon and his allied men *needed* to be bait for Ramsay's army, to draw them out so they could be beaten. She did however tell him what he needed to do to minimize those deaths- Dont let Ramsay use Rickon to make you do something foolish. And.. he didnt even listen to that.

This is all well and good. But then you are crediting Sansa with being a great battle tactician. I don't see that no matter how jaded she has become. Now if she would have told Jon I am sorry, LF asked me not to say anything about his arrival because he thought it best to be a surprise, that would be believable. As it is, she just withheld it for whatever reason. My guess is she didn't want to explain why LF would bring the LoV North before they were asked. Ultimately it will go unexplained, and somewhat of a plot hole that on the whole we don't give a **** because we got a result we wanted and it set up everything else that is to come.

 

[brett108]

Uhh. Do you assume that anytime you see something with numbers in front of it that it is a fact? Your assumption is that I am saying these are facts. These are my comments. Nowhere do I claim to be omniscient. And this whole freaking thread is brazen assumptions or theories. That is what makes it worth arguing/ debating. You then proceed to make a bunch of brazen assumptions. You "take it easy bud."

Just giving you a hard time man.

Anyways to go to the point of Jon being named Aerys, does that make sense? I don't think Lyanna would name her son after the man who killed her oldest brother and father. I think it makes more sense that she would tell Eddard to keep Jon away from Aerys. He was still alive and the sacking of Kings Landing had not occurred as yet. That would make more sense to me. Aerys was the Mad King, and I doubt even Rhaegar was paying tribute to him.

 

[Mr Janny]

Plenty of reason to not tell Jon.

Lets think about what happens if he knows.

He probably elects to delay, waiting for the knights to get there.

Ramsay would figure out he now is at a disadvantage, likely would retreat into winterfell, this time more able to withstand a siege (this time it didnt work out as his army was largely beaten by the time he got back into the walls).

Ultimately, Jon and his allied men *needed* to be bait for Ramsay's army, to draw them out so they could be beaten. She did however tell him what he needed to do to minimize those deaths- Dont let Ramsay use Rickon to make you do something foolish. And.. he didnt even listen to that.

All of those things could still have happened, had Jon known ahead of time. Wun-wun showed us exactly how much Winterfell's siege defense was worth. As far as the "bait" goes, Jon's plan was to do exactly that, to draw Ramsay's army out. That would have been an opportune time for Sansa to mention, "Oh yeah, good idea. Once they're engaged, it might be a good idea if the 5000 odd heavy cavalry from our cousin shows up to hit them."

There was no good reason for her to keep it a secret. Even if she was worried about them betraying them, she still would have let Jon know that they were showing up.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Just giving you a hard time man.

Anyways to go to the point of Jon being named Aerys, does that make sense? I don't think Lyanna would name her son after the man who killed her oldest brother and father. I think it makes more sense that she would tell Eddard to keep Jon away from Aerys. He was still alive and the sacking of Kings Landing had not occurred as yet. That would make more sense to me. Aerys was the Mad King, and I doubt even Rhaegar was paying tribute to him.

Off closed captioning...

Lyanna: “I want to be brave.”
Ned: “Shh. You are.”
Lyanna: “I’m not. I don’t want to die.”
Ned: “You’re not going to die. [to midwife] Get her some water!”
Lyanna: “No, no water.”
Ned: “Is there a maester?”
Lyanna: “Listen to me, Ned. His name is [not captioned]. If Robert finds out, he’ll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned. Promise me.”

[Midwife hands Ned the baby]

Lyanna: “Promise me, Ned. Promise me.”

 

[alarson]

Wun-wun showed us exactly how much Winterfell's siege defense was worth.

Not really, given the army was pretty much destroyed by that point.

 

[alarson]

To the bolded - how? Surely not from Sansa or Jon. LF and the KotV managed to keep it a secret before Jon knew. I don't see how Jon knowing and postponing the fight literally three hours changes anything.

Because he'd be smart enough to sense that JS was stalling?

 

[Mr Janny]

Not really, given the army was pretty much destroyed by that point.

They had enough men for Ramsay to be confident they could hold out for quite a while.

 

[srjclone]

Any way you flip it, Ramsay could have stayed inside of Winterfell and never lost. He just had too much of an ego to sit idly bye..

 

[bos]

Any way you flip it, Ramsay could have stayed inside of Winterfell and never lost. He just had too much of an ego to sit idly bye..

Yep, Roose even warned him of this once before.

 

[Orin02]

Just giving you a hard time man.

Anyways to go to the point of Jon being named Aerys, does that make sense? I don't think Lyanna would name her son after the man who killed her oldest brother and father. I think it makes more sense that she would tell Eddard to keep Jon away from Aerys. He was still alive and the sacking of Kings Landing had not occurred as yet. That would make more sense to me. Aerys was the Mad King, and I doubt even Rhaegar was paying tribute to him.

Fair enough.
You might be right. But she does say "His name is" and I swear it started with an A. I will have to watch it again.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Fair enough.
You might be right. But she does say "His name is" and I swear it started with an A. I will have to watch it again.

I saw one fansite convinced she said Aemon, but who knows. I posted the transcript above. I wonder if the showrunners wanted the name withheld purposely, or it actually was too inaudible to close caption, or GoT has it in for deaf people.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

The problem with that is that it takes a long, long time to become a Maester, let alone the Grand Maester. I think Sam's purpose in the plot is to find the secret weapon they can use against the Others, some long lost book in that giant library, that gives them an advantage. And his father will probably come looking for him at some point. Sam will probably kill him, or defeat him in some way, to put a bow on that little side story, and complete his story arc.

Maybe they'll do some kind of "20 years later" post ****** scene ala Harry Potter, and show how things turned out, and he'll be Grand Maester.

That depends on the student. You can become a Maester as quickly as you can pass exams.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

I just never seem to like the popular characters nearly as much as others do. Tyrion has a lot of weaknesses especially when it comes to women. At least in the books, I am not overly sympathetic to his murder of Shae; she was put in a position where she didn't have much choice in trying to save her own neck, which he strangled. And his disdain for Penny is ironic given how he feels when he sees that same look from Sansa.

The murdering and the whoring are problematic morally, but he was able to manipulate LF, Varys and Maester Pycelle to figure out who Cersei was using. He negotiated peace with Dorne, won the battle of the blackwater tactically and led the charge. Weeded out corruption and sent Janos Slynt to The Wall. He managed alliances and kept Cersei from completely screwing everything up.

As a person he is deeply flawed, but he kept his king on the throne when he could easily have lost it.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

How many Hands other than Tywin have we actually seen, though?

Ned, Mace Tyrell, and now Qyburn. (Harys Swift and Orton Merryweather were not in the show)
That's not exactly a lot of competition for him. Ask a commoner who they thought was the best out of that group, and the answer wouldn't be Tyrion. They'd probably say Tywin or possibly Mace. Mace did, after all, end the famine.

We know from Tyrion's chapters/viewpoint that he was able to politically manipulate Cersei, Varys, and Littlefinger with the Myrcella to Dorne deal so that they did not join up with Renly. He led the Battle of the Blackwater tactically and on the battlefield. He kept Joffrey on the throne. He also managed Cersei and kept her from dividing the realm during her reign as Queen Regent.

Yes, the commoners hated him, but they hate all Lannisters after the sacking that Tywin gave King's Landing.

 

[Mr Janny]

The murdering and the whoring are problematic morally, but he was able to manipulate LF, Varys and Maester Pycelle to figure out who Cersei was using. He negotiated peace with Dorne, won the battle of the blackwater tactically and led the charge. Weeded out corruption and sent Janos Slynt to The Wall. He managed alliances and kept Cersei from completely screwing everything up.

As a person he is deeply flawed, but he kept his king on the throne when he could easily have lost it.

Every bit of corruption that he rooted out, he replaced with people who were just as corrupt, but favored him instead.
That served him well, but resulted in little difference to the people he ruled over

 

[jdoggivjc]

is the bedding ceremony just a northern house thing?

A bedding ceremony took place at the Red Wedding (which is why there was a child that Jaime could threaten to catapult into Riverrun Edmure with). Neither the Freys nor the Tullys are Northern houses.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

A bedding ceremony took place at the Red Wedding (which is why there was a child that Jaime could threaten to catapult into Riverrun Edmure with). Neither the Freys nor the Tullys are Northern houses.

There was also a bedding ceremony at Tywin's wedding where Aerys took liberties.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Can someone provide a "reason" for the death of the old Maestre? Somehow he was tied in to a big plot line but was it simply knowing about the wild fire?

 

[State43]

There was also a bedding ceremony at Tywin's wedding where Aerys took liberties.

Speculation

 

[State43]

Can someone provide a "reason" for the death of the old Maestre? Somehow he was tied in to a big plot line but was it simply knowing about the wild fire?

He wasn't on team Cersei