****Official Class of 2017 Recruiting Thread****

[Doc]

I am an ISU Grad, and a Wisconsin fan (my daughter goes there). I see all Cyclone and Badger games. The reason Wisconsin can win without 5 star players is the system. Bo started it, and Greg has continued it. They have also figured out you can't win in the Big 10 without bigs. Their post player is 6' 10", the backup is 6' 9", and they have two athletic 6' 8' players at both forward positions. Someone needs to tell CSP you can't win in the Big 12 with no player taller than 6' 8" (and don't appear to be very athletic). That is why we lost to a bad Iowa team. No inside game and the perimeter shooting is off. You can't challenge in the Conference or go far in "The Dance" without an inside game.

IMO, teams like Wisconsin are the exception, not the rule. UNC was the really only team in the Final 4 last year that I would consider great inside, and a team that was focused on throwing the ball into the block and scoring.

Nova- Ochefu was good, but not great. He didn't play a whole lot of minutes, wasn't a great scorer, and wasn't drafted (although he may be on a roster). They had an inside game, but it wasn't that good. Jenkins is a 6'6 perimeter player.

OU - Neither Spangler or Lattin could score on the block. They were fine, but nothing special.

Syracuse - They were good inside, but actually relatively poor for a Syracuse team. They spent a lot of time with a 6'8" 210# freshman playing the middle of their zone since their only non-terrible 5 man couldn't stop fouling.

 

[Doc]

A stat that will probably make heads explode.

Not a single Final 4 team last year was in the Top 150 in the nation in defensive rebounding percentage.

Obviously having great interior players is huge, but it's not a necessity.

 

[LLCoolCY]

A stat that will probably make heads explode.

Not a single Final 4 team last year was in the Top 150 in the nation in defensive rebounding percentage.

Obviously having great interior players is huge, but it's not a necessity.

Truth is there are only a hand full of 6'10" that can come in and play right away from HS or JC and most developed over time. That is why Prohm is stockpiling Kasongo, Lard, Young, Carter types and will be looking at grad transfers in the spring to supplement. Holden hasn't been what many of us hoped but the thought process in recruiting him was correct. It would be nice to have another McKay type but not a necessity and even he took a while to develop.

 

[rholtgraves]

I am mad Prohm didn't get Ayton and Bamba in this class. Pick it up Prohm!

 

[Dandy]

My point is if we end up with Post players like Merrill Holden we will be right back to where we started. A bunch of great guards who are trying to compete without an inside presents to help them.

It's okay. Take a break and try again in a couple hours. This '17 recruiting class could end up being the best the school has EVER had and you rate it a C?

 

[isucy86]

That's so stupid... NC state and Western Kentucky can get 5 star recruits but our staff doesn't want to waste time on recruiting them

Talking about the future. imo you can't have a consistent top 15 without getting 5 star recruits

Face the facts, ISU might get a 5 star recruit about every 10 years in hoops and the stars must align. ISU never gets Fizer if Tim Floyd's family didn't have a relationship with Fizer's family. Brackins was solid recruiting by TJ and a relationship he had with their head coach.

The best chance ISU has for signing a 5 star is if he is an Iowa HS player. Has their been a 5 star Iowa HS player since Harrison Barnes?

Western Kentucky was able to sign a 5 Star in this past class because I believe the player is related to an assistant coach. North Carolina State is in a state that produces a ton of P5 players and the reality is it's a lot easier to recruit kids to Raleigh vs. Ames.

A top 15 program doesn't need 5 star players. The staff just needs a roster of the right 4 &3 star kids. Personally, I'd rather have 4 &3 star kids that are going to stick around for 3 or 4 years vs. a 5 star who is NBA bound after a year or two.

 

[isucy86]

ISU could have went to the final four not starting a player over 6'8 if Niang hadn't got injured. You sir are wrong.

Georges was a pretty unique player. We would have had a better chance of making the final four that year after Georges got hurt, if we had a couple solid backups over 6'8". Hogue and Ejim weren't going to cut it against Drummond and their 7 foot center.

To compete against KU and to be a consistent top 3 program in the Big 12, the coaches need to make sure we have solid guard play and 3-4 solid post players. We can't realistically compete in the Big 12 starting a 6'7"(?) center in Bowe and a 6'4" power forward in Burton. Hopefully the trio of Young, Lard and Kasongo is a good start. If we can add a couple JUCO post players this spring, we should be solid next season.

 

[Desiigner]

Face the facts, ISU might get a 5 star recruit about every 10 years in hoops and the stars must align. ISU never gets Fizer if Tim Floyd's family didn't have a relationship with Fizer's family. Brackins was solid recruiting by TJ and a relationship he had with their head coach.

The best chance ISU has for signing a 5 star is if he is an Iowa HS player. Has their been a 5 star Iowa HS player since Harrison Barnes?

Western Kentucky was able to sign a 5 Star in this past class because I believe the player is related to an assistant coach. North Carolina State is in a state that produces a ton of P5 players and the reality is it's a lot easier to recruit kids to Raleigh vs. Ames.

A top 15 program doesn't need 5 star players. The staff just needs a roster of the right 4 &3 star kids. Personally, I'd rather have 4 &3 star kids that are going to stick around for 3 or 4 years vs. a 5 star who is NBA bound after a year or two.

Yes Marcus Paige. And no id rather have the 5 star player

 

[Cyclonepride]

My point is if we end up with Post players like Merrill Holden we will be right back to where we started. A bunch of great guards who are trying to compete without an inside presents to help them.

I don't think what we've got out of Merrill Holden is what we expected out of him. They're certainly not looking for more just like that.

 

[CyTwins]

Yes Marcus Paige. And no id rather have the 5 star player

Paige wasn't a 5 star

 

[EnhancedFujita]

I don't think what we've got out of Merrill Holden is what we expected out of him. They're certainly not looking for more just like that.

Any program is gonna hit and miss on guys. The problem with Holden is that several of our other options for the post didn't make it, so when he wasn't as expect, all of a sudden we are in trouble in the post.

 

[isucy86]

What's the big fact about Oregon. And I'm not wrong. You need 5 star recruits to win. Every championship team in the last 20 year more than likely has a 5 star on it

So what is your solution for bringing in 5 star recruits with consistency? Lay out your plan!

I am sure McDermott, Hoiberg and Prohm have all contacted a ton of 5 star players over the years. However, 5 star kids have to have interest in coming to Iowa State and Ames. If a kid isn't interested, its a waste of time and money to continue recruit a kid.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I'd rather stock up on Lindells and Terrances than put in tons of effort to whiff on a 5*

 

[isucy86]

Any program is gonna hit and miss on guys. The problem with Holden is that several of our other options for the post didn't make it, so when he wasn't as expect, all of a sudden we are in trouble in the post.

Building a college basketball roster is tough these days with all the transfers. We took a risk that Malou and Lard would be eligible this season and struck out. I hope the tweets about ISU currently recruiting JUCO's hard pays off. I'd rather rely on us signing a couple JUCO than waiting on a grad transfer.

 

[IASTATE07]

I'd like to think that as BDK gets older he'll mature and make better arguments, but I fear he'll be bringing junior high logic for the next decade.

 

[isutrevman]

Georges was a pretty unique player. We would have had a better chance of making the final four that year after Georges got hurt, if we had a couple solid backups over 6'8". Hogue and Ejim weren't going to cut it against Drummond and their 7 foot center.

To compete against KU and to be a consistent top 3 program in the Big 12, the coaches need to make sure we have solid guard play and 3-4 solid post players. We can't realistically compete in the Big 12 starting a 6'7"(?) center in Bowe and a 6'4" power forward in Burton. Hopefully the trio of Young, Lard and Kasongo is a good start. If we can add a couple JUCO post players this spring, we should be solid next season.

Drummond wasn't on that UConn team. I don't remember them being over big actually. Their guards killed us along with a 6'8-6'9 (at most) power forward/small forward whose name I can't remember. I agree Bowie and Burton are too small, but you don't need 6'10 guys to be good.

 

[CyTwins]

Drummond wasn't on that UConn team. I don't remember them being over big actually. Their guards killed us along with a 6'8-6'9 (at most) power forward/small forward whose name I can't remember. I agree Bowie and Burton are too small, but you don't need 6'10 guys to be good.

DeAndre Daniels was the one who killed us

 

[Dandy]

I'd rather stock up on Lindells and Terrances than put in tons of effort to whiff on a 5*

This.

 

[baagoe]

I'd like to think that as BDK gets older he'll mature and make better arguments, but I fear he'll be bringing junior high logic for the next decade.

I'm a little out of the loop so excuse my ignorance. Is BDK Desiigner or are you joking? If he is that makes perfect sense.

 

[IASTATE07]

I'm a little out of the loop so excuse my ignorance. Is BDK Desiigner or are you joking? If he is that makes perfect sense.

99% sure that's him.