Oh, I didn't take it as critical of him. Been a little worried about his daughter with whatever the mess is with KU basketball, or maybe his son got hurt (I just had one hurt in a basketball game).
As if Hoiberg didn't have enough to worry about.....
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Oh, I didn't take it as critical of him. Been a little worried about his daughter with whatever the mess is with KU basketball, or maybe his son got hurt (I just had one hurt in a basketball game).
History repeats itself.. Krause screwed over Tim Floyd, who was thrown into a terrible complete rebuild from nothing after Jordan retired, Phil Jackson left etc.
17 years later, GarPax is doing the same to Hoiberg. Everyone and there dog knew that Rose was never going to be the same player again and that Butler has an ego. I wish nothing but success to CFH but I feel that he was set up to lose.
17 years later, GarPax is doing the same to Hoiberg. Everyone and there dog knew that Rose was never going to be the same player again and that Butler has an ego. I wish nothing but success to CFH but I feel that he was set up to lose.
I couldn't stand playing with Wade, Butler or Rondo as an NBA player. And they are all on the same team. Geez.....
love Fred for all the obvious reasons...have zero sympathy for his situation. That he's in it to me is of no surprise. You get paid more to deal with more and it's what he asked for. I'm not glad for any reason but not surprised. The NBA, as are most professional leagues, is a consortium of highly paid egos where you really have little leverage as a coach.
He knew it.
He knew it.
True dat. There are very few pro teams that believe in longevity. FB I'll go with Steelers Patriots. BB Spurs. There may be others but these are the ones that pop into my head.
If you were making $5,000,000/year and no one could die because of your actions and your employees are all millionaires; would you really be that stressed out? I wouldn't be.
I have a lot of respect for Jimmy Butler as a self made player. It's not that he's bereft of talent, but he's worked himself into an All Star caliber player and a borderline franchise player. But he has a long way to go in learning how to act as the face of a franchise. It doesn't help that he's now influenced by Wade, who thinks he's still the same player he was ten years ago.
Hoiberg's in a toxic environment. I don't necessarily feel bad for him. He wanted the challenge and willingly took the job and the money. But I would like to see him get an opportunity to coach a roster that fits his preferred style of play. I still don't think it would work out, if only because his system is no longer in front of the curve. Pacing and spacing is what damn near every team is trying to do now. There's nothing special or unique about it anymore. But this team makes no sense when you look at the coach's philosophy. The front office moves have been beyond baffling.
Hoiberg's in a toxic environment. I don't necessarily feel bad for him. He wanted the challenge and willingly took the job and the money. But I would like to see him get an opportunity to coach a roster that fits his preferred style of play. I still don't think it would work out, if only because his system is no longer in front of the curve. Pacing and spacing is what damn near every team is trying to do now. There's nothing special or unique about it anymore. But this team makes no sense when you look at the coach's philosophy. The front office moves have been beyond baffling.
Thanks, Captain Hindsight.
He wanted to get to the NBA and he took the job he knew was available. No one knew Flip Saunders would step down and pass away so suddenly.
First of all, my post wasn't made partially in jest. It was entirely in jest but what the hell, I'll jump in with both feet too. I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag here but I have had zero offers to coach in the NBA. I can hope, but I don't see any on the horizon either...but if I get one I'm holding out for at least $20mil and I'm keeping my personal appearance fees.
I'm not making anything close to $5mil per but I am driven and I've steadily moved up the ranks in my profession. Every step has increased my earnings and my stress level. I know of few professions where that's not the case. I don't deal with the media or spoiled millionaires but I've got my own problems that Fred has never had to bother with that are just as important to my company's success and I will guarantee you that I've had enough stress to take years off my life. You know what would make it less stressful? $5mil a year and having enough bank that I could walk away tomorrow and still have enough for my grand kids to be rich. My wife going to hot yoga classes and doing charity work instead of coming home every day as stressed out as me, and me being able to send my kids to every camp, game, vacation or whatever the flavor of the day is would be kinda cool too. Fred has earned every dime and I don't begrudge him one bit, nor do I feel even a little bit sorry for him. Do he and his family have stress and challenges? Hell yes, but they're living the life they've chosen. He didn't like recruiting and/or living in the fish bowl in Ames so he took a $3mil a year raise to try something different. I think most of us would have made the same choice and lived with the consequences.
Secondly, while I don't disagree with the premise of your post, I don't realistically know how a smart guy like Fred couldn't see this coming. He might be buddies with GarPax but they handed him a big ol' turd sandwich. I agree that Fred is driven to succeed, which makes his decision to take this job all the more puzzling. If he was truly offered the Golden State job and/or could have had the TWolves, even somebody like me that pays no attention to the NBA knows that he chose the worst job of the 3 from a roster, management, and unrealistic expectations point of view. Only he knows why, but he went into it with his eyes wide open.
Nothing personal 94, just my $.02.
The Wolves were very disappointed when they were looking for a head coach and Fred signed his last extension at ISU. If he would have decided to jump then he would have likely been HC for the Wolves.
I hate the bulls so I am not sad about this. Fred hitched his wagon to the slimy gar Forman, so he shouldn't be surprised that they screwed him over.
I am surprised at how many of you act like everyone should have known he was walking into a ****** situation. No one thought that. I don't blame bulls fans for being pissed. They fired a successful coach and hired the guy who was going to take them to the next level. That team has talent.
Fred is just as much at fault for the problems as gar, Pax, and the players.
(I also stand behind my prediction that he coaches in college again. If only to hold it over everyone if I am right! I don't give a **** how many people he told he hated recruiting. I believe part of that was him lying. I also believe he might realize recruiting isn't as bad as he thought.)
I am surprised at how many of you act like everyone should have known he was walking into a ****** situation. No one thought that. I don't blame bulls fans for being pissed. They fired a successful coach and hired the guy who was going to take them to the next level. That team has talent.
Fred is just as much at fault for the problems as gar, Pax, and the players.
(I also stand behind my prediction that he coaches in college again. If only to hold it over everyone if I am right! I don't give a **** how many people he told he hated recruiting. I believe part of that was him lying. I also believe he might realize recruiting isn't as bad as he thought.)
I think Flip was only going to coach one more year, even before his health turned for the worse. Fred could have gone there for a year as the heir apparent and I don't think anybody would have questioned it a bit. Plus the twin cities made so much more sense for his family and their existing connections up there.
All these tweets and comments to the press make it obvious Hoiberg has lost the locker room. And right or wrong, Rondo simply can't stay on the roster with his calling out of Butler and Wade. Fred just can't ignore it...or will he?
It wasn't in the plan for Flip to hold both the President of Basketball Operations position as well as Head Coach. They couldn't get what they wanted so Flip agreed to do both. If they had found what they wanted earlier he would have worn just the one hat.
Fred's Bulls experience has gone exactly as I expected. Tim Floyd's Bulls experience went exactly as I expected. I didn't (and don't) feel bad for either one of them.
Tim Floyd openly regrets leaving ISU. Fred Hoiberg will someday.
Tim Floyd openly regrets leaving ISU. Fred Hoiberg will someday.
Nothing personal taken, this is a pertty hypothetical discussion for the most part and opinions will certainly vary on the subject. I just think part of being a coach at that level involves a lot of hubris. You don't believe in failure. "It's the NBA, all the players are high caliber, they just aren't being coached right."
I truly believe that's what most, if not all NBA coaches believe. You don't get to that level second guessing yourself, believe you are wrong or might be wrong. Just look at post game interviews, one in particular is when we ended up losing to Kansas, up by three, with seconds left in regulation. The guy makes basically a half court shot to tie the game and we lose in overtime. At the presser, when asked about fouling, Fred said, and I don't remember the exact quote, but something on the order of, with the time left and who we had on the court, he thought it was the right decision at the time to not foul. It wasn't the right decision, but he stuck to his guns with, "At the time."
Fred wanted to coach so bad in the NBA, imo, he didn't consider he could fail at it, wasn't in his DNA to consider failure. I still don't think at that level any amount of money makes losing easier. I think it's easy for us to say, "Give me $5 mil/year and I'd be OK losing" I just don't think it's true. I think if your goal was to coach in the NBA, you'd do it for $50K/year, the money is a bonus, not the reason you are doing it. You are doing it to prove you can be successful at it and winning is your focus. Nothing personal here, just giving my opinion on the matter.
I would have held out for 26 but that's just me.
It gets said and said but Fred knew what he was getting into, and if he makes it 5 years maybe he'll hang it up for good and continue with other things life has to offer.
