Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.

[Cyclone06]

Is this a real comment/take? I'm not even sure I have words right now...

Do I think Prohm is a better coach than the previous coach who won at KU. Absolutely. Am I worried that a season altering win was followed up by a horrrific loss because the team wasnt hungry to win. Very much. Coach can't make shots but he should be able to ensure his guys are hungry to win.

 

[fsanford]

IMO I think he is a very average coach that perhaps looks worse due to the other coaches in the league. I don't see many matchups in the Big 12 where I think we have a coaching advantage...maybe Chris Beard or Bruce Webber.

Shaka took a preseason top 20 team to a sub .500 record, what makes you think he can coach year in and year out in a P5 league?

 

[Psiclone]

Prohm is out of his mind playing a zero dimensional player (Bowie) at all, let alone 20+ minutes.

Yeah, he only shot 4/6 (8 pts), 5 rebounds, and had a block. Should have played Young more since he had 0 rebounds, 1 turnover, and 0 pts. Gee I wish you were the coach so you could make game time decisions re: who is being the most productive.

 

[dahliaclone]

Yeah, he only shot 4/6 (8 pts), 5 rebounds, and had a block. Should have played Young more since he had 0 rebounds, 1 turnover, and 0 pts. Gee I wish you were the coach so you could make game time decisions re: who is being the most productive.

Do not come to this debate with facts!

 

[ISUFan22]

While I do not support any aspect of Trump's policy regarding immigration. I certainly wish there was a policy where we could deport stupid humans. Starting with the troll that created this thread.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I was flying back from Miami during the game. Glad I missed it after seeing the negative nancies out in full force.

 

[CloneFan4]

He's managed to navigate a team with zero post players that has to rely on ******* Deonte Burton to a point in which they are expected to be in the goddamn tournament.

What the **** else do you need for evidence.

So you want to give him credit for winning with few post players, yet we wouldn't be in this situation had Prohm done his job on the recruiting trail last year.

 

[kingcy]

The team had good looks all night long, they just didn't fall. Not sure what a coach can do about that. Not sure how a coach can make the ball bounce into his teams hands. It was a weird game. This team has its talent limitations, everyone knows that and on nights when the ball isn't falling for you and junk shots are for the other team you lose.

Still the best money that can be made betting is going against ISU in the 2nd of 2 on the road. Those game are brutal and history shows they are hard to win, no matter who the coach is.

 

[kingcy]

So you want to give him credit for winning with few post players, yet we wouldn't be in this situation had Prohm done his job on the recruiting trail last year. .

I am sure he said **** it we don't need a big for 16-17 and gave up. It is very hard to come in late in the game and get in on talent bigs, because everyone else has been in on them for 1 or 2 years.

 

[CloneFan4]

While I do not support any aspect of Trump's policy regarding immigration. I certainly wish there was a policy where we could deport stupid humans. Starting with the troll that created this thread.

Yes but the whole "Bad Day for Prohm Can't Coach Crowd" and "Prohm Evolution" threads are A okay. If a certain ******* doesn't start that thread, another ******* wouldn't have started this one.

 

[CYphyllis]

So you want to give him credit for winning with few post players, yet we wouldn't be in this situation had Prohm done his job on the recruiting trail last year. You're a dense ************.

Absolute ********, how can you possibly expect him to replenish the front court in a single recruiting class with absolutely nothing in the pipeline? For ***** sake, he clearly tried and the NCAA got in the way, but still an impossible task. If Fred would have done his ******* job the last few years of his tenure, the program wouldn't be in this situation. You are placing blame in the wrong goddamn place.

As fast as Fred built the program up, he managed to sabotage it even less time. That's not an excuse for Steve, it's ******* reality. You won't acknowledge that though, due to the fact that you are clearly attached to Fred's ****.

 

[CloneFan4]

Absolute ********, how can you possibly expect him to replenish the front court in a single recruiting class with absolutely nothing in the pipeline? For ***** sake, he clearly tried and the NCAA got in the way, but still an impossible task. If Fred would have done his ******* job the last few years of his tenure, the program wouldn't be in this situation. You are placing blame in the wrong goddamn place.

As fast as Fred built the program up, he managed to sabotage it even less time. That's not an excuse for Steve, it's ******* reality. You won't acknowledge that though, due to the fact that you are clearly attached to Fred's ****.[/QUOTE

If Hoiberg stays we end up with Diallo and Coffey with a good chance at Miles Bridges. He didn't stop recruiting altogether, he just couldn't make promises to these kids that he knew he couldn't keep.

Would you rather Hoiberg stay and hold Prohm's hand through the recruiting process?

Prohm relied heavily upon two major academic risks and completely whiffed on Holden and Bowie. That is on Prohm, not Fred.

With the talent in the backcourt on this team, nobody is asking him to replenish the front court. If he could have just found one grad transfer or JUCO post to give us ten COMPETENT minutes a night this would be a different scenario. That isn't an "impossible task" in fact that should be expected. I'm sure it was difficult selling 5 NCAA tournament births in a row, a couple sweet 16s, a top 25 ranking, immediate minutes, and the talent in this backcourt.

 

[CYphyllis]

If Hoiberg stays we end up with Diallo and Coffey with a good chance at Miles Bridges. He didn't stop recruiting altogether, he just couldn't make promises to these kids that he knew he couldn't keep.

Would you rather Hoiberg stay and hold Prohm's hand through the recruiting process?

Prohm relied heavily upon two major academic risks and completely whiffed on Holden and Bowie. That is on Prohm, not Fred.

With the talent in the backcourt on this team, nobody is asking him to replenish the front court. If he could have just found one grad transfer or JUCO post to give us ten COMPETENT minutes a night this would be a different scenario. That isn't an "impossible task" in fact that should be expected. I'm sure it was difficult selling 5 NCAA tournament births in a row, a couple sweet 16s, a top 25 ranking, immediate minutes, and the talent in this backcourt.

********. Hoiberg didn't nor couldn't land a single one of those kids, mainly because he didn't bother to recruit at all at any ******* point. Fred found short lived success because he hit a market that didn't previously exist, once everyone else caught on, he bailed like a *****.

Fred found a niche and exploited it for a couple years, that's it, he didn't have the skill or ability to actually run a program for the long term.

 

[jkclone]

Shaka took a preseason top 20 team to a sub .500 record, what makes you think he can coach year in and year out in a P5 league?

You realize you are talking about someone many consider to be one of the best young coaches in the game. Trying to equate Texas and us is laughable. They have similar talent but are very young and missing a point guard which is more important than a big. Even then no one would call this a remotely successful season for them, but he has proven it before.

 

[Stewo]

Internet fans can expose the worst/dumbest fans a fan base has to offer. So fun.

 

[rochclone]

********. Hoiberg didn't nor couldn't land a single one of those kids, mainly because he didn't bother to recruit at all at any ******* point. Fred found short lived success because he hit a market that didn't previously exist, once everyone else caught on, he bailed like a *****.

Fred found a niche and exploited it for a couple years, that's it, he didn't have the skill or ability to actually run a program for the long term.

The hate from you on Hoiberg is embarrassing. Took this program to the NCAA Tournament an unprecedented 4 years in a row.

He didn't leave a bare roster for Prohm. To the contrary he left a loaded roster in 2015-16. As it turned out the 16-17 roster was incomplete (although talented enough to win in Allen Fieldhouse) but the responsibility for the lack of a post presence falls on Prohm's shoulders as much as Fred's.

 

[mdk2isu]

You realize you are talking about someone many consider to be one of the best young coaches in the game. Trying to equate Texas and us is laughable. They have similar talent but are very young and missing a point guard which is more important than a big. Even then no one would call this a remotely successful season for them, but he has proven it before.

Both teams have underperformed their pre-season rankings. To sit there and say it proves one coach is terrible but the other is one of the best coaches in the game is inconsistent at best.

 

[jkclone]

Both teams have underperformed their pre-season rankings. To sit there and say it proves one coach is terrible but the other is one of the best coaches in the game is inconsistent at best.

You didn't read what I said did you? This is an awful year for Shaka no doubt about that, but it is easier to explain and he has proven himself to be a great coach before. Prohm hasn't.

 

[mdk2isu]

The hate from you on Hoiberg is embarrassing. Took this program to the NCAA Tournament an unprecedented 4 years in a row.

He didn't leave a bare roster for Prohm. To the contrary he left a loaded roster in 2015-16. As it turned out the 16-17 roster was incomplete (although talented enough to win in Allen Fieldhouse) but the responsibility for the lack of a post presence falls on Prohm's shoulders as much as Fred's.

Prohm is responsible for 1.5 recruiting classes for ISU at this point. By that math, Fred would be responsible for 2.5 (splitting the year Prohm was hired is generous to Fred since it was well after signing day that the coaching change happened).

There is only so much you can do in Prohm's situation. Posts have a tendency to take a couple years to develop into meaningful contributors so that basically eliminates any HS posts Prohm could have gotten.

 

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