Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.
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A-10 got 3 last year which is probably an average year for them, they usually get 3-4 bids. They got 6 in 2014.
Ohio Valley I don't think has gotten more then their tourney champ in the last 30 years. There was a big talking point a few years ago when Murray State won 30 games and people were saying that if they were upset in their conference title game that they should get an at large bid. Probably the only time the Ohio Valley could have got 2.
Yah-- who knows. My thought is it is representative of our offensive makeup. We rely heavily on transition, ball movement and jump shooting. In many ways, that is a rhythm thing. It's hard to walk into a gym and start running, driving and shooting threes. It's alot easier if you can throw it down low and play inside out. I think that's part of the problem-- it just takes a little while to get a flow going with the way we play.
Anyone that thinks Smart and Prohm are even remotely comparable has no freaking clue about basketball.
The OVC has two teams that have any history and Belmont didn't even join until 2012. If Murray State isn't competing for the conference title every year that is an absolute failure. So while Prohms record there was good it wasn't exactly anything special.
Compare that to Smart and VCU who started in the better CAA and then he transitioned them to the best high mid major conference and was still successful. He is also well known for his unique havoc style of defense he ran at VCU.
Then the teams they came into are vastly different. Smart came into a team that had just fired their coach and had been struggling. Prohm came into a consensus top 15 roster (even if there were holes you can't expect any better) and a team that had been very successful for the past few years.
The OVC has two teams that have any history and Belmont didn't even join until 2012. If Murray State isn't competing for the conference title every year that is an absolute failure. So while Prohms record there was good it wasn't exactly anything special.
Compare that to Smart and VCU who started in the better CAA and then he transitioned them to the best high mid major conference and was still successful. He is also well known for his unique havoc style of defense he ran at VCU.
Then the teams they came into are vastly different. Smart came into a team that had just fired their coach and had been struggling. Prohm came into a consensus top 15 roster (even if there were holes you can't expect any better) and a team that had been very successful for the past few years.
I feel bad for Monte Morris, as him coming back when he should have declared for NBA, does not deserve this nonsense going with the team. Prohm is to blame for all this inconsistency play. Looks like Prohm does not believe in having tall players that are talented in his team, as evidently with his recruiting class of 2017. No bigs at all and you wonder why we barely get any rebounds. I also question Prohms assessment of grad transfer students. When Fred brought in a transfer, they were legit(Chris Babb, Kane,Royce,Bryce,Chris Allen,Will Clyburn etc, all them were legit not these empty tins that Prohm recruited). I hope Lard won't be a burst, as he is only one I am counting on now. Kasongo was just a plunk at Tennessee, so not much hope there. Until Prohm starts to get some height in his team, we will continue to suck until he gets fired. I hope I am wrong and have Steve here for a long time and make us legit again. I just want to stop watching this team, but they are always on TV and somehow I find watching them. The pain of watching this team suck is just too much to handle right now. Hoping for the best in the future.
The sugar coating of this loss is adorable. Paint it however you want, but we just lost to the worst team in the conference and one of the worst in the SEC while only having one win over a ranked opponent. This team is not very good overall but had a great game at KU. I still think we squeek into the tourney but can't imaging winning more than a game in the B12 or NCAA tourney.
The Ohio Valley was ranked between the 23rd and 25th best conference when Prohm was there. VCU was in the CAA (13th and 15th) and then the A-10 (7th and 8th). The competition was a little different and just wanted to bring that up while we are talking about facts.
Yeah because its my job to go out and create relationships with these players and bring them to Ames. Great thinking.
I have serious doubts about Prohm, but also hope he succeeds. This team is most likely NIT bound and I just hope he gives the younger players (Young especially) the majority of minutes to help in their development.
I really dont think anyone is sugar coating it. The loss sucks. The posts are defending Prohm against those who were just waiting to tear into him like a monkey on a cupcake, after that KU win.
I think people thought the grad transfers were going to replace Niang, Nader and McKay's, numbers.
Took a look at all the grad transfers numbers that were available last year that were 6-7 and taller, suffice it to say that collective group has brutal stats. The 1 guy at Tech is the only grad transfer from the entire pool of players that is averaging over double figures in points, the rest are pedestrian.
This team should have Sophs and Juniors, on the bench that came up through the program, will not go into details why. All I can say it is pretty F'd up a coach has to turn an entire roster into his 2nd year on the job. He will have 13 different players next year (assuming he uses all the scholarships) from when he took the job 2 years ago
How does a program that does not get 1 and dones basically have all new faces within a 2 year period? Its almost laughable..
It's still easier to recruit to Texas, no matter how awful they were before Shaka, which wasn't awful at all. Hell, they had Myles Turner a few years ago, and Allen this year. Texas can just stumble upon one and done big men.
Carter was grabbed in July of 2015. I think Prohm had been here for a month or so. He was trying to fill a need. We obviously had a spot (July, remember). Jakolby isn't playing because of these dudes named Matt, Naz, Monte, and Donovan. You can't honestly expect a true freshmen to jump ahead of anyone in that group, right?
I didn't understand that we were talking about ethics....I thought we were talking about winning.
Not getting a post this class is a head scratcher. We lose 6 guys but only 3 commits which tells me we missed on a lot of big man targets. I hope Lard is a solid player and I hope Prohm can get a graduate transfer or a couple JUCO bigs to finish the class. Either way, the fans need to expect a huge step back next season.
LOL NIT bound. We are very close to a lock for the NCAA tournament. 3 more wins gets us there, and we will easily get those. We end 10-8 at worst.
Agree with all this. I can't get past the number of wasted possessions. We are allergic to any kind of post feed which results in too many contested perimeter shots and the other team having only 4 fouls with 7 seconds to play. Young may as well not even run down the court. You have to keep the defense honest.
And I don't buy that they are not Prohm's guys. That's the coach's job - take the players he has and maximize their abilities. McKay was a very productive player for Fred and largely a waste for Prohm. Does Prohm not own some of that? Does anyone feel like Prohm got the most out of either team? I hope he puts it all together, but at this point, it would surprise me.
We are still in decent shape for making the tournament. They key is going to be staying ahead of teams like TCU in the standings. The committee isnt going to turn us away if we finish 4th in the best RPI conference regardless of whether we finish 9-9 or 8-10.
Your posting in this thread makes in clear that there is a lot you dont understand.
