Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Agree with all this. I can't get past the number of wasted possessions. We are allergic to any kind of post feed which results in too many contested perimeter shots and the other team having only 4 fouls with 7 seconds to play. Young may as well not even run down the court. You have to keep the defense honest.

And I don't buy that they are not Prohm's guys. That's the coach's job - take the players he has and maximize their abilities. McKay was a very productive player for Fred and largely a waste for Prohm. Does Prohm not own some of that? Does anyone feel like Prohm got the most out of either team? I hope he puts it all together, but at this point, it would surprise me.

Don't blame Prohm for Jameel's problems. It's the coach's responsibility to enforce team rules and set standards...

To be fair with Young, he actually does a really good job sealing his guy but we don't pass it in to him.

 

[megamanxzero35]

McKay was a very productive player for Fred and largely a waste for Prohm. Does Prohm not own some of that? Does anyone feel like Prohm got the most out of either team? I hope he puts it all together, but at this point, it would surprise me.

Fred also let McKay sit out when he didn't feel like practicing. Which he then became entitled too when Prohm said no you have to practice. I don't care what you say, that's being a lazy coach when you let a player not practice because he didn't feel like it.

 

[Stewo]

I feel bad for Monte Morris, as him coming back when he should have declared for NBA, does not deserve this nonsense going with the team. Prohm is to blame for all this inconsistency play. Looks like Prohm does not believe in having tall players that are talented in his team, as evidently with his recruiting class of 2017. No bigs at all and you wonder why we barely get any rebounds. I also question Prohms assessment of grad transfer students. When Fred brought in a transfer, they were legit(Chris Babb, Kane,Royce,Bryce,Chris Allen,Will Clyburn etc, all them were legit not these empty tins that Prohm recruited). I hope Lard won't be a burst, as he is only one I am counting on now. Kasongo was just a plunk at Tennessee, so not much hope there. Until Prohm starts to get some height in his team, we will continue to suck until he gets fired. I hope I am wrong and have Steve here for a long time and make us legit again. I just want to stop watching this team, but they are always on TV and somehow I find watching them. The pain of watching this team suck is just too much to handle right now. Hoping for the best in the future.

Monte is who he is. A great facilitator and creates turnovers. In coming back, he's proven that he can score the ball as well. Fact is, he needed to come back and in doing so, he's shown his versatility.

 

[1976]

We are still in decent shape for making the tournament. They key is going to be staying ahead of teams like TCU in the standings. The committee isnt going to turn us away if we finish 4th in the best RPI conference regardless of whether we finish 9-9 or 8-10.

I don't see any way we finish 8-10 but if we do, I might be sweating a little on selection sunday. We should finish 10-8 or better so I haven't given a lot of thought to what would happen if we finish worse than .500.

 

[Incyte]

I've always thought Shaka was over his head and I think the results on the whole are bearing that out.

Losing sucks but the game was on the road and our conference standing is about where objective observes had us. Some of you are dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[CTTB78]

Fred left behind a Top 10 squad. Look at what other coaches leave behind. To call the cupboard bare is ridiculous.

I don't agree with the 'cupboard bare' crowd, but to say CSP was left with a 'Top 10 squad' is certainly ridiculous.

 

[Stewo]

I don't agree with the 'cupboard bare' crowd, but to say CSP was left with a 'Top 10 squad' is certainly ridiculous.

Top 15-20 squad and went to the Sweet 16 where we had a very tough draw. Never good enough for some people.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah because its my job to go out and create relationships with these players and bring them to Ames. Great thinking.

You're just going to use that as an excuse because the big man transfer market was weak last year and Prohm did about as good as he could have with what was on the table.

 

[bosco]

What was Fred's record in Austin?

 

[jkclone]

Fred also let McKay sit out when he didn't feel like practicing. Which he then became entitled too when Prohm said no you have to practice. I don't care what you say, that's being a lazy coach when you let a player not practice because he didn't feel like it.

I wouldn't let people just not practice because they don't feel like it but at that point you have to adjust to who you have remaining and make them the best they can be. Jameel was better with Fred's methods. You should axe that out quickly but up to a point you have to effectively manage people.

 

[madguy30]

The sugar coating of this loss is adorable. Paint it however you want, but we just lost to the worst team in the conference and one of the worst in the SEC while only having one win over a ranked opponent. This team is not very good overall but had a great game at KU. I still think we squeek into the tourney but can't imaging winning more than a game in the B12 or NCAA tourney.

I'd love a win in the NCAA tourney.

Even a bid would be fantastic.

Both are historically good by ISU standards.

I remember when Fred and Larry Eustachy struggled to win one game in the Big 12 tournament, so that would be fun too.

 

[rochclone]

Your posting in this thread makes in clear that there is a lot you dont understand.

Well this is what I understand:

1) The Atlantic 10/Colonial is a much tougher conference than the Ohio Valley Conference
2) I would rather have Shaka Smart on my bench than Steve Prohm
3) Coach Prohm was left with a small window by Fred's lack of recruiting. He needed to achieve a lot with the 2015-16 squad in order to lure a grad transfer post...he finished 10-8 in the conference and beat two double-digits seeds in the tournament.
4) I know that Iowa State is improved dramatically on defense..no doubt that credit goes to Prohm.
5) I know that Iowa State's (out of bounds/specials) sets are horrendous.

What I don't understand

1) Prohm's timeout useage
2) Why when we lose the immediate reaction from one camp is that this is all Fred's fault
3) How people don't understand that an individual can have legitimate questions about a coach and still absolutely support the team.

 

[Cyballzz]

The sugar coating of this loss is adorable. Paint it however you want, but we just lost to the worst team in the conference and one of the worst in the SEC while only having one win over a ranked opponent. This team is not very good overall but had a great game at KU. I still think we squeek into the tourney but can't imaging winning more than a game in the B12 or NCAA tourney.

I thought we played Texas last night?

 

[bos]

Well this is what I understand:

1) The Atlantic 10/Colonial is a much tougher conference than the Ohio Valley Conference
2) I would rather have Shaka Smart on my bench than Steve Prohm
3) Coach Prohm was left with a small window by Fred's lack of recruiting. He needed to achieve a lot with the 2015-16 squad in order to lure a grad transfer post...he finished 10-8 in the conference and beat two double-digits seeds in the tournament.
4) I know that Iowa State is improved dramatically on defense..no doubt that credit goes to Prohm.
5) I know that Iowa State's (out of bounds/specials) sets are horrendous.

What I don't understand

1) Prohm's timeout useage
2) Why when we lose the immediate reaction from one camp is that this is all Fred's fault
3) How people don't understand that an individual can have legitimate questions about a coach and still absolutely support the team.

Absolutely can, if those who choose to, do so in an intelligent factually correct way. Not the chicken little sky is falling over dramatic way.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Well this is what I understand:

1) The Atlantic 10/Colonial is a much tougher conference than the Ohio Valley Conference
2) I would rather have Shaka Smart on my bench than Steve Prohm
3) Coach Prohm was left with a small window by Fred's lack of recruiting. He needed to achieve a lot with the 2015-16 squad in order to lure a grad transfer post...he finished 10-8 in the conference and beat two double-digits seeds in the tournament.
4) I know that Iowa State is improved dramatically on defense..no doubt that credit goes to Prohm.
5) I know that Iowa State's (out of bounds/specials) sets are horrendous.

What I don't understand

1) Prohm's timeout useage
2) Why when we lose the immediate reaction from one camp is that this is all Fred's fault
3) How people don't understand that an individual can have legitimate questions about a coach and still absolutely support the team.

Mostly because the people that are constantly railing on Prohm are using Fred s a benchmark. Any rational fan should be able to see both sides of the fence but if we want to continue to be relevant in hoops we need to embrace the now and quit skewing our memory to the past.

 

[rochclone]

Top 15-20 squad and went to the Sweet 16 where we had a very tough draw. Never good enough for some people.

I'm assuming you are talking about Virginia. Which was a horrible match-up for us. But lets also recognize that we only had to play Iona and Ark-Little Rock to get that opportunity.

 

[acgclone]

We have two groups of fans according to this thread (and others):

1- Blame Prohm for everything bad, and give Fred credit for everything good
2- Blame Prohm for nothing, and pass blame to Fred and the way he left

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[allfourcy]

I think people thought the grad transfers were going to replace Niang, Nader and McKay's, numbers.

Took a look at all the grad transfers numbers that were available last year that were 6-7 and taller, suffice it to say that collective group has brutal stats. The 1 guy at Tech is the only grad transfer from the entire pool of players that is averaging over double figures in points, the rest are pedestrian.

This team should have Sophs and Juniors, on the bench that came up through the program, will not go into details why. All I can say it is pretty F'd up a coach has to turn an entire roster into his 2nd year on the job. He will have 13 different players next year (assuming he uses all the scholarships) from when he took the job 2 years ago

How does a program that does not get 1 and dones basically have all new faces within a 2 year period? Its almost laughable..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coaching transitions seem to be very hard on Iowa State programs no matter what. Also in terms of recruiting, I dont think we get to play that game that an NCState or Baylor does for example.

 

[Cyballzz]

I'm assuming you are talking about Virginia. Which was a horrible match-up for us. But lets also recognize that we only had to play Iona and Ark-Little Rock to get that opportunity.

The same cast "only had to play" UAB the year before.

 

[Cyclone11]

I don't see any way we finish 8-10 but if we do, I might be sweating a little on selection sunday. We should finish 10-8 or better so I haven't given a lot of thought to what would happen if we finish worse than .500.

Wake me up when that happens. There is no way we are winning at Kstate. WV will own us again. TCU bigs will own us too, unless 3's go down the rim. Tech will beat the crap out of us. Grandpa Phil Forte is back, so Okie State is dangerous again. so how are we getting 10 wins or more if we could not even beat pathetic Texas who don't have a true PG? I hope you are right though that we will get those wins, but right now it does not look good.