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That's what I am hoping for but at the same time, it's natural for us to want to know now.
I agree with you that XC and Track have a noble history at ISU, but Ihmels had the same title and duties, before being replaced by Smith, at about half the pay. Just seems suspicious Pollard gets deep pockets when his son is concerned?!?
No doubt XC and Track based off of the accomplishments you listed have had some good history, but I'd also like to point out how many of those AA honors were by the same person? Didn't Lisa Uhl have like 15 AA honors? I know wrestling has a lot of multiple AA's but you can only AA once a year not 4 or 5 times. Also was Iowa State considered to be a top 3 or 4 program historically in Track? I think the answer is probably no, Wrestling was considered top 3 or 4 now we are considered maybe top 15. It's time to pony up and pay for a coach that can restore ISU back to it's rightful place among the elites in wrestling.
And you are a fool to think that Track and XC aren't Pollards pet projects, it is obvious they are.
And you are a fool to think that Track and XC aren't Pollards pet projects, it is obvious they are.
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You lose. Though ISU certainly has a good track reputation, when the other sport has the two wrestlers on the sports mythical mount rushmore, tough to beat.
ISU wrestling tradition >>>> ISU running tradition, and this is coming from a former ISU runner, but that doesn't mean that our history should be scoffed at.
Do I think Jamie invests too much money into track / XC? No, it's about right. (Note im very biased)
Do I think Wrestling should get just as much funding for their coaches as track/ XC? 100% YES
Do I think Jamie invests too much money into track / XC? No, it's about right. (Note im very biased)
Do I think Wrestling should get just as much funding for their coaches as track/ XC? 100% YES
I checked because I was curious, she had 8 AA honors
http://cyclones.com/documents/2016/5/10/TRKhistory.pdf
So do a couple others, including somebody who AAed in the 800 meters twice each year, once in indoor and once in outdoor. But there's also some confusing stuff like people getting AA honors for coming in 15th in Steeplechase, 17th in High jump, or 24th in the 5,000 meters.
How many AA awards does track give out? 24th seems kind of far out there for that.
The history argument wasn't a comparison of wrestling vs. track. The initial statement was that track/XC had ZERO history at Iowa State, which is utterly false.
you asked if he thought ISU didn't have a tradition in track, he responded "compared to wrestling, no" to which you listed their accomplishments. So yes, you were making a comparison.
He moved the bar when you rightfully called him on on his track comments but now you're moving the bar. You were trying to compare it against wrestling, and when you got called on the absurdity of it, you try to claim you weren't?
Let's stick with the coaching search/questions instead of squabbling over trivial matters.
Messi will have to correct this I'm sure, but do people AA for certain accomplishments in XC/T&F, such as race times or a certain jump height in high jump, for example?
I'm just thinking Olympic qualifications. Just because a person may win an event in the US trials doesn't mean they qualify for the olympics in that event, because there are "Olympic standards" that must be met.
This is exactly what I was trying to say..... In addition, there is an either or mentality here and that is the flaw in the thinking. I want to sustain the track budget AND we have to enhance the wrestling.
NOT ONE PERSON said track had a better history here and NOT one person who is defending the track budget wants wrestling to suffer. I WANT BOTH to excel and I find it inexcusable that they do not.
Personally, my dream was always to build a 30-50 million dollar facility that attaches to Hilton's SE corner and Johnny's and extends into the grass area. It would house the practice facility (and extras) for wrestling, gymnastics, volleyball and even a newer basketball facility. If I had the money, that is what I would want to do. Location may be a spoiler too, I don't know.
I don't pretend to know what is important to our AD other than I think he self promotes way too much. I think given the results we have had recently, you could question our budget allocation of a number of sports- our return on investment is poor in a few. Once we get this wrestling thing fixed (and we will) I am then going to focus on women's gymnastics and Jay's performance over the past five years. IF we are going to offer it, I want us to be competitive at it.
The discussion of budget and commitment from ISU matters in this discussion- it reflects the pool of candidates that we likely get to choose from.
My top preferences are Dresser if we go with a HC from another institution. (unless Cael wants to come home- which nobody can see happening)
If we fail to land Dresser, I would be happy with a number of assistants but I start with Varner (because it is perceived NEW blood and he may keep TP 1 and 2) as I think he has an upside that is very high. I have no idea if Penn State guys want to come here or not). If not Varner, then I look at Perry, Reader or TP1 or TP2.
If nothing works out then I settle for Bono knowing that I likely do this again in the future.
My top preferences are Dresser if we go with a HC from another institution. (unless Cael wants to come home- which nobody can see happening)
If we fail to land Dresser, I would be happy with a number of assistants but I start with Varner (because it is perceived NEW blood and he may keep TP 1 and 2) as I think he has an upside that is very high. I have no idea if Penn State guys want to come here or not). If not Varner, then I look at Perry, Reader or TP1 or TP2.
If nothing works out then I settle for Bono knowing that I likely do this again in the future.
All American is based on place at nationals. No time, height or distance comes into effect.
All American awards in XC to be awarded only to American born athletes which they haven't done for awhile but you used to have guys get like 67th at nationals but they'd be All American. Now it's just too 40 straight up.
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Men's track has just under 13 scholarships to divide among 3 sports so it is tight. I wanted to say that women offer just over 17 scholarships for the same 3 sports. many of the track athletes actually come here with fewer scholarship dollars than wrestlers do
If we just do the three sports that need a facility (wrestling, gym and VB, we could do that but I push it towards University just a bit more and give the building a slight move that fits in the with Iowa State Center. If we add the basketball to the facility, I make it bigger but still angle it away from Hilton a bit. That L-shape bothers me for some reason.
I remember that, and liked the idea except for thinking that the new facility would get swamped by the Skunk once every 10 or 15 years unless they hauled in a few thousand tons of fill to build it up.
If I had an extra $25-40 mil laying around I'd gladly spring for a 3-4,000 seat facility for holding wrestling and VB meets, (and gymnastics if they'd fit...I don't know how much floor space they require.) Move to Hilton when there's a big one but otherwise a crowd 3000 could actually still be a factor in a smaller venue.
You would need at least 5,000 capacity, IMO. If wrestling ever got up to a contending level, most meets would be at Hilton anyway. And if VB gets back up to where it was a few years ago, and where Christy wants it, you would need to plan for at least 4,000.
If I get to the point where I can burn that much money, I'm flexible.
