Jake Knott-- Updates

[CycloneErik]

You folks responding to the troll in the thread are doing this wrong.
Dude doesn't know medicine, science, or any other topic. Smile, nod, and move along.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I don't think what he posted was out of line at all.

Your post was directed at a different poster but I thought I would respond to it.

My response

If you are close enough to the family to have this "inside info", then you should be close enough to the family to not be piling on.

to the post was based on the gossipy nature of the middle part of it. If he had posted the following:

He won't go to therapy or rehab. He's parents have tried to get him to go for his pain killer addiction [...] and he refuses to go

I would not have commented on his post.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

You folks responding to the troll in the thread are doing this wrong.
Dude doesn't know medicine, science, or any other topic. Smile, nod, and move along.

In other news, grass is green and the sky is blue.

 

[Cyched]

This thread took a turn I wasn't expecting

 

[CycloneErik]

This thread took a turn I wasn't expecting

Hijacked as thoroughly as Jake Knott hijacked opposing offenses.

 

[CycloneNorth]

Go away. If you actually do know something you shouldn't be posting here.

Unrelated to the thread, but this should be the official Cyclonefanatic Forum Motto.

 

[CRCy]

Weather it is drugs, CTE, depression or a combo of those, hope he gets it figured out.

This, we don't need another Tyler Sash story.

 

[WooBadger18]

If you are close enough to the family to have this "inside info", then you should be close enough to the family to not be piling on.

Or sharing that info. That's not something that we really need to know

 

[WooBadger18]

You don't have much respect for trainers do you?

Plus, if he has an addiction issue, do you really want him around athletes who are more likely to have access to that type of medication? That's probably not good for anyone

 

[Blackhawk6515]

Damn. That is just plain stupid. Stupid, Jake

 

[Tre4ISU]

If you are close enough to the family to have this "inside info", then you should be close enough to the family to not be piling on.

Yeah, jump on the guy with the likely actual info. The true CF way.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I hope he can straighten what his problem is, out. Maybe this will be more of a wakeup call?

Either way, a Great Cyclone and I am pulling for him.

 

[WooBadger18]

Yeah, jump on the guy with the likely actual info. The true CF way.

Yeah, because we don't need to know all that info. There's certain information that doesn't need to be shared

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, because we don't need to know all that info. There's certain information that doesn't need to be shared

Well then shut down the thread and cut out the speculation based on nothing factual if we want to play the "it's none of our business" card.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I took one and only one (and they gave me forty) pill of hydrocodone after I had my wisdom teeth out because (a) it really started to hurt after the lidocaine wore off and (b) I was worried I was not going to be able to sleep that night given the pain. I was in the clouds after that and do not remember much what happened until the next morning. My girlfriend told me that I was loopy and barely able to form a sentence without tailing off at the end of it.

Went to sleep, woke up in the morning feeling better and normal, never took any more of them, and took the remaining 39 back to the pharmacy a few weeks later.

The moral of the story -- opium is powerful and can get the best of us, even if you started with legitimate medical and pain-management intentions about its use, particularly if you do not have any experience with them, any help, or if there are other major stresses in your life to induce you to look for any escape. I can completely see why people end up addicted to that stuff after just one little shot of it, and I would prefer not to go back unless I absolutely had to.

Guys like Tyler and Jake probably deal with pain 20x worse on a daily basis.

If this is the issue. If.

All my sympathies. This is something people need some serious help over.

 

[jbindm]

I won't judge his actions or speculate as to what is causing them, but I am disappointed to hear about it. I hope/pray he gets things turned around.

He was one of the greats, and he deserves our love in good and bad times.

This. I don't want to go as far as to speculate brain trauma or drug addiction, but it's pretty clear that something is amiss and I hope he can figure it out or get help soon. This is when we should support former Cyclones, not throw around baseless accusations and unsubstantiated theories.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Read that last line again. Now go look up scientific studies and process.

I'm 100% sure no one knows jack for sure until there is a control group etc.

No one is ever going to jack IMO. They can't even tell you what dreaming is, how are they going to trace every single thing that contributes to CTE? That would decades of testing, and funding.

I took one and only one (and they gave me forty) pill of hydrocodone after I had my wisdom teeth out because (a) it really started to hurt after the lidocaine wore off and (b) I was worried I was not going to be able to sleep that night given the pain. I was in the clouds after that and do not remember much what happened until the next morning. My girlfriend told me that I was loopy and barely able to form a sentence without tailing off at the end of it.

Went to sleep, woke up in the morning feeling better and normal, never took any more of them, and took the remaining 39 back to the pharmacy a few weeks later.

The moral of the story -- opium is powerful and can get the best of us, even if you started with legitimate medical and pain-management intentions about its use, particularly if you do not have any experience with them, any help, or if there are other major stresses in your life to induce you to look for any escape. I can completely see why people end up addicted to that stuff after just one little shot of it, and I would prefer not to go back unless I absolutely had to.

Guys like Tyler and Jake probably deal with pain 20x worse on a daily basis.

If this is the issue. If.

All my sympathies. This is something people need some serious help over.

I had braces for 8 years. That's basically giving yourself a week of pain for every 4 weeks of being alive. They didn't give me pain killers, and I didn't complain. Doctors are too quick to give out medication, not just opiates(antibiotics, tranquilizers,etc.) They need to fix the pharmaceutical industry, but they won't because both sides are making ridiculous money.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I had braces for 8 years. That's basically giving yourself a week of pain for every 4 weeks of being alive. They didn't give me pain killers, and I didn't complain. Doctors are too quick to give out medication, not just opiates(antibiotics, tranquilizers,etc.) They need to fix the pharmaceutical industry, but they won't because both sides are making ridiculous money.

I do not disagree with some of this -- a month's worth of opium for having three teeth out, when I only really needed one, was definitely overkill for my needs.

I found one "weird" enough that I did not take a second.

I had braces for four years and two oral surgeries before they could correct every problem that needed done. I had local anaesthesia for the procedures themselves, of course, but nothing but OTC painkillers for the recoveries. There is definitely over-prescription of this stuff in the system (for a variety of reasons), though drug companies do not make nearly the money off generic opium-derived painkillers than they do off brand-named lifestyle drugs.

 

[jsb]

No one is ever going to jack IMO. They can't even tell you what dreaming is, how are they going to trace every single thing that contributes to CTE? That would decades of testing, and funding.

I had braces for 8 years. That's basically giving yourself a week of pain for every 4 weeks of being alive. They didn't give me pain killers, and I didn't complain. Doctors are too quick to give out medication, not just opiates(antibiotics, tranquilizers,etc.) They need to fix the pharmaceutical industry, but they won't because both sides are making ridiculous money.

Jesus, you aren't comparing the pain of braces to the pain of many football injuries are you?

The problem with a lot of opioid addicts is they have legit pain that requires the treatment. And either the pain never gets better or they become addicted.

 

[Peter]

Holy cow. The guy is charged with third degree theft and some people on here are writing his obituary. CTE-suicidal? Opioid addict? Jesus people, stop spinning the rumor mill. The last thing this guy needs is pack of message-board psychoanalysts diagnosing his behavior.