NFL: Offseason Thread

[jbindm]

That could be interesting. They've got a lot of cap space this year, and quite a bit projected for next year, too, but have some good players who they will want to re-sign. So, if they front load the contract, paying him huge money for the 2018 season, he might have a smaller cap hit for the following two years, allowing them flexibility to resign their other guys.

Maybe. And then he'd be able to hit the open market again for another big payday.

I don't know. Depends in part on how high the Jets are willing to go and how much they're willing to guarantee. As I understood it Cousins was going to take his time and visit with multiple teams, so it's curious that the Vikes would let details of the offer leak without knowing what the other teams are going to offer. And if they didn't leak it then it must have come from Cousins' camp. And if that's the case then is he just trying to drive up the bidding?

 

[3GenClone]

Maybe. And then he'd be able to hit the open market again for another big payday.

I don't know. Depends in part on how high the Jets are willing to go and how much they're willing to guarantee. As I understood it Cousins was going to take his time and visit with multiple teams, so it's curious that the Vikes would let details of the offer leak without knowing what the other teams are going to offer. And if they didn't leak it then it must have come from Cousins' camp. And if that's the case then is he just trying to drive up the bidding?

Or the Vikings are trying to drive up Aaron Rodgers value for re-signing with Green Bay

 

[Mr Janny]

Or the Vikings are trying to drive up Aaron Rodgers value for re-signing with Green Bay

Totally would make sense. That would be a shrewd move.

 

[ClonesTwentyOne]

 

[JP4CY]

It just has to click once. See: Jacksonville. They had a top ten pick (usually top five) like ten years in a row and they finally made it somewhere this year.

Jacksonville having Coughlin back in the front office has to help a lot too.

 

[cycopath25]

I have seen Josh Allen range anywhere from 1-10. It seems like one minute everyone is super high on him, then the next minute they have him moving down the draft. Probably cuz no one knows what the Browns are looking to do.

 

[JP4CY]

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley at #1. The Giants desperately need a RB (well, a QB too). So Maybe they can swap the Giants 1 for a 2 and get a 4th rounder too.
I was never that high on Kizer, so picking a QB is a good idea IMO.

 

[cycopath25]

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley at #1. The Giants desperately need a RB (well, a QB too). So Maybe they can swap the Giants 1 for a 2 and get a 4th rounder too.
I was never that high on Kizer, so picking a QB is a good idea IMO.

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley #1 and a QB #4. PERIOD! THE END!

 

[cyhiphopp]

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley #1 and a QB #4. PERIOD! THE END!

That would be the smart thing to do. So we can rest assured that the Browns will not do that.

 

[jbindm]

I don't like any of the QBs in this class in the top five. Regardless of need my top five would be (in no particular order) - Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Fitzpatrick, and James.

I think it's insane how highly Josh Allen is ranked. The tape doesn't lie. He doesn't just consistently miss - he misses badly. Someone's gonna get suckered into taking him just based off his arm strength.

 

[cycopath25]

That would be the smart thing to do. So we can rest assured that the Browns will not do that.

Browns new GM is John Dorsey (from KC) so I feel like they will draft better than recent years.

 

[jbindm]

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley at #1. The Giants desperately need a RB (well, a QB too). So Maybe they can swap the Giants 1 for a 2 and get a 4th rounder too.
I was never that high on Kizer, so picking a QB is a good idea IMO.

Their fans might riot, but Cleveland's best move might be to move out of that # 1 spot and slide down a few slots. Everyone loves Barkley but is anyone going to be comfortable burning the top overall pick at a position where you can get 90% of the same player 30-40 spots later?

 

[cyhiphopp]

I have seen Josh Allen range anywhere from 1-10. It seems like one minute everyone is super high on him, then the next minute they have him moving down the draft. Probably cuz no one knows what the Browns are looking to do.

Allen is one of the most polarizing prospects that have come out in the past several years.

He has phenomenal arm strength, but his tape just sucks. His accuracy seems to be a huge issue. Regardless of the talent around him he should have dominated at the level he was at.

Does he have a Million Dollar Arm and a 5 cent head?

Some team will fall in love with him and take him, no doubt. But how good will he end up being?

It just reminds me of Jay Cutler. He has great arm talent, and he's even compiled some great stats, but he hasn't won jack.

 

[jbindm]

Browns new GM is John Dorsey (from KC) so I feel like they will draft better than recent years.

Paul Depodesta (the moneyball guy) is still in their front office, too. I wonder how much influence he gets on draft day. He's been part of the decision making process the last few years.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Browns new GM is John Dorsey (from KC) so I feel like they will draft better than recent years.

I'm a Steelers fan, so I'm perfectly fine with them staying in the tank. Time will tell if new blood will help I guess.

 

[jbindm]

Allen is one of the most polarizing prospects that have come out in the past several years.

He has phenomenal arm strength, but his tape just sucks. His accuracy seems to be a huge issue. Regardless of the talent around him he should have dominated at the level he was at.

Does he have a Million Dollar Arm and a 5 cent head?

Some team will fall in love with him and take him, no doubt. But how good will he end up being?

It just reminds me of Jay Cutler. He has great arm talent, and he's even compiled some great stats, but he hasn't won jack.

He reminds me of Christian Hackenberg. Looks the part, has the measurables, big time arm and I don't question his work ethic, but he's just inaccurate. It's a QB desperate league so I would understand a team taking a chance on him as a developmental guy in the third round. But a top ten pick? That's crazy.

 

[cyhiphopp]

If I'm the Browns I take Barkley at #1. The Giants desperately need a RB (well, a QB too). So Maybe they can swap the Giants 1 for a 2 and get a 4th rounder too.
I was never that high on Kizer, so picking a QB is a good idea IMO.

Barkley is a fantastic running back, but I would hesitate taking ANY running back that high, even if he ends up being the next Adrian Peterson.

This day and age it's really hard to devote that much of your future cap space into a running back. Barkley could destroy the league for a few years and then get hurt and never be the same.

Whoever takes him will likely be in the same position the Steelers are right now with LeVeon Bell. Tremendous talent, but you have to decide how much of your cap space you can devote to the RB position.

 

[cyhiphopp]

He reminds me of Christian Hackenberg. Looks the part, has the measurables, big time arm and I don't question his work ethic, but he's just inaccurate. It's a QB desperate league so I would understand a team taking a chance on him as a developmental guy in the third round. But a top ten pick? That's crazy.

If Allen goes to a crappy team with no supporting cast he is that much more likely to flame out as well. And in order to pick in the top 5 you usually have to be a pretty bad team. Not sure if the Broncos could bounce back with a real QB, but Allen might not even be the best bet there.

 

[3GenClone]

He reminds me of Christian Hackenberg. Looks the part, has the measurables, big time arm and I don't question his work ethic, but he's just inaccurate. It's a QB desperate league so I would understand a team taking a chance on him as a developmental guy in the third round. But a top ten pick? That's crazy.

Louis Riddick was on Wingo and Golic yesterday and said that Josh Allen had a remarkable day throwing at the combine. He said that the QB drills at the combine are setup for failure, and that QBs are more worried about completion, where they actually just need to worry about ball placement. He said that Allen was the only QB that was putting the balls where he was asked to throw them, Baker Mayfield was the next most-accurate. Rosen on the other hand was the complete opposite.

 

[jbindm]

Barkley is a fantastic running back, but I would hesitate taking ANY running back that high, even if he ends up being the next Adrian Peterson.

This day and age it's really hard to devote that much of your future cap space into a running back. Barkley could destroy the league for a few years and then get hurt and never be the same.

Whoever takes him will likely be in the same position the Steelers are right now with LeVeon Bell. Tremendous talent, but you have to decide how much of your cap space you can devote to the RB position.

I don't know. RB is a tough value to gauge. If he's a true do-it-all three down back and a legit thread to lead the league in yards from scrimmage every year then he's probably worth it. But generally teams at the top of the draft have multiple holes to fill and when you compare the talent pool of QBs and pass rushers and offensive tackles against running backs you almost have to approach RB as a luxury position. Like the Colts. I'm hearing they absolutely love Barkley. But they can get another productive back in the second or third round. Bradley Chubb is the consensus best edge rusher in the draft and it's a desperate need for them. If they pass on him at #3 for a RB there won't be another productive edge rusher further down the board.