NCAA's - The Case for 9 Big 12 teams

[nfrine]

I hope that is true. I had to look this up.

Quadrant one wins are those home games vs. teams RPI ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. 1-50, and away games vs. 1–75.

A Quadrant 2 win are those at Home against the RPI 31–75, neutral 51–100, and away victories over the RPI 76–135.

If I were king, I'd look at those 2 areas as well as non-Quadrant 1 or 2 losses. So home loss againts a team below 75, a neutral loss against a team below 100 and a road loss against a team below 135. Technically, none of the possible bubble teams (OU, OSU, Baylor, Kansas State or Texas) have a bad loss. ISU is currently 121, so a loss at Hilton was not a bad loss.

Now, if you rank those teams on that criteria, the order would be like this (Q1 wins, Q2 wins, bad loss).
Oklahoma (6,3,0)
OSU (5,4,0)
Texas (5,2,0)
Baylor (4,3,0)
Kansas State (3,3,0)

Really, Kansas State should be the bubbliest.

Now lets look at other bubble teams. First, these are Lunardi's first 4 out and next 4 out.
Syracuse (3,3,2)
Louisville (3,3,2)
Marquette(3,4,2)
Notre Dame(2,4,3)
Penn State(3,2,3)
Boise(1,2,2)
Nebraska(1,1,1)

I don't think any of them are more deserving that Kansas State.

Now lets look at the last 4 in and first 4 byes.
Saint Mary's (1,2,2)
Providence (3,4,3)
USC (4,4,1)
UCLA (3,5,2)
Alabama (4,6,1)

I'd say Kansas State deserves it over Saint Mary's and Providence and is above even with UCLA.

Whats really BS is Oklahoma State. Just looking at those numbers, OSU is clearly ahead of USC. Everyone would pick USC over OSU. OSU is 87 RPI. USC is 35 RPI. Its pretty obvious USC is better. Well guess what, USC played 6 games against 150-225 and 3 games against 226 and above. OSU played 3 games between 150-225 and 5 games above 225. The only possible reason to pick USC over OSU is that they played toughher scrub teams. Thats totally ********. Not to mention that USC lost to the 221 team AT HOME. USC's best wins are neutral wins against Middle Tennessee (27) and New Mexico State (44). OSU has wins @6, @31, neutral 43, home 6, home 4. Sagarin has USC as 44 and Oklahoma State as 46. Ken Pom has USC as 47 and OSU as 57.

TJ is thankful SDSU won the conference tourney. Iowa was one of their best wins...

 

[TykeClone]

I had hoped this was about booting Baylor out.

Agreed.

 

[randomfan44]

Even though K-State swept three of the four and split with OU.

Hilarious. Only a KSU fan would tout records over bubble teams as the qualifier for being more tourney worthy.

Wins against the top tier of the big 12 (ku, texas tech wvu)
Okie State- 4
OU- 2
Texas- 2
Baylor- 2

Kansas State- ZERO.

As it turns out, Kansas State managed to be ONLY team in the Big 12 to fail to win a single game against the Top 3 teams.

 

[VeloClone]

Hilarious. Only a KSU fan would tout records over bubble teams as the qualifier for being more tourney worthy.

Wins against the top tier of the big 12 (ku, texas tech wvu)
Okie State- 4
OU- 2
Texas- 2
Baylor- 2

Kansas State- ZERO.

As it turns out, Kansas State managed to be ONLY team in the Big 12 to fail to win a single game against the Top 3 teams.

Heck, even last place Iowa State managed to win two.

 

[NWICY]

It's interesting how much we argue about teams that have no shot at winning the title. We might as well be discussing T.J.'s Jacks as the Pokes.

B12 tourney title or national championship? The purple kitties have a fair chance for the 1st and only slightly better than ISU's for the 2nd.

 

[surly]

B12 tourney title or national championship? The purple kitties have a fair chance for the 1st and only slightly better than ISU's for the 2nd.

I was speaking to the national championship. All the discussion is devoted to teams that have near zero chance of making the Final4 much less winning it. I guess just getting a dance card is a major accomplishment, thus the ongoing debates.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Oklahoma deserves the NIT even though I think they'll get a bid. Oklahoma State now looks like the part.

 

[BCClone]

I thought someone was saying we should kick Baylor out and go to 9 teams. I would have been in favor of that.

 

[HFCS]

Going into conference play it looked like 7 locks and 3 bubble teams.

 

[nfrine]

Six, maybe 7.

 

[mj4cy]

It really, really blows talking about how 80% (or even 90%) of the conference could get into the tournament, but ISU is 99.9999% sitting this one out. Tough pill to swallow, I guess.

Just means its a tough year. ISU brings back 72% of scoring, 80% of rebounding, and 79% of assists. Let alone bringing in THT and other talent, Shayok/Jacobson becoming eligible, plus getting Babb/Young healthy.

Wonder if any other Big12 teams return that much.

 

[chuckd4735]

Hilarious. Only a KSU fan would tout records over bubble teams as the qualifier for being more tourney worthy.

Wins against the top tier of the big 12 (ku, texas tech wvu)
Okie State- 4
OU- 2
Texas- 2
Baylor- 2

Kansas State- ZERO.

As it turns out, Kansas State managed to be ONLY team in the Big 12 to fail to win a single game against the Top 3 teams.

You really should be smacked for not including ISU on that list. Not only because this is an ISU website, but it really downplays Surly's argument even more.

 

[chuckd4735]

Just from the eye test (not looking at anything on paper), I think the two teams that lost last night are out. I think there are some teams who could hurt their chances today/tonight, but I see all 8 playing today going to the tourney.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Six, maybe 7.

7 is really the minimum, and 8 is looking increasingly likely.

 

[xboxfever]

Going into conference play it looked like 7 locks and 3 bubble teams.

Three bubble teams? You think Iowa State was on the bubble?

 

[HFCS]

Three bubble teams? You think Iowa State was on the bubble?

Entering Big 12 play they had RPI in the 70s I believe. Wins over Boise State and UNI (remember UNI seemed good at the time). Not crazy to call that bubble...but go into hysterics and pretend I thought they were on the bubble two weeks ago.

 

[rholtgraves]

I really don't think OU should get in. I don't think OSU should either.

 

[ca4cy]

I can't keep track. Is the committee supposed to use the "eye test" or not? If so, OSU passes more so than Texas or OU, and probably Baylor as well. I've always had a soft spot for OSU so maybe that bias is coming through, but I think they should be in.

 

[1976]

I really don't think OU should get in. I don't think OSU should either.

Me either, but it's hard to believe the committee will keep Young out of the tournament. They were ranked 4th on January 15th. What a horrible fall. I may be wrong, but OU is probably in, and with a win against KU (which is very possible) OSU is in too.

 

[NWICY]

I really don't think OU should get in. I don't think OSU should either.

OU gets in because of Trae Young and early season success. OSU deserves to be in by playing their best ball when you need to be in March. OU is the one that should be left behind but they'll slide in.