If you can't beat them any of the three times you played them this year, why not resort to what it was like 27 years ago...
Where is Surly? Let’s discuss Bruce
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Probably the same reason we make fun of Weber and his tournament team, despite losing three times to the 7th seed this year. Fandom isn’t bound by on court results.
A guy I know who is a KSU fan who hates Weber and wishes they could fire him and move on. Problem is he keeps making the NCAA tournament and for KSU that is enough to have job security. What sucks this year is that this is probably one of his best seasons at KSU going 22-10 and 10-8 in conference so how do you fire a guy that finished 4th in what is probably the toughest conference in the nation.
The good thing is we have recent success to tout, including not rolling over and taking it in the backside by KU two to three times a year. Weber literally folds when KU is on the other the of the court. Weber is 2-13 against KU while at KSU. He's lost his last 8 to KU.
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And we’re 2-5 against a UT coach that’s barely above .500. You think the 4th seed without their two best players losing to the top seed is folding?
If success against KU was needed in chastising KU, Tuco would rule CF.
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My original post was making fun of Surly for having to go back to 1990 to show how awesome his team was. So im not sure why you are bringing in stats from a bad ISU season to defend Surly.
Point remains that KSU and Weber fold at the thought of KU, their main rival, on the other end of the floor. Weber has a decent team this year, and they still can't be competitive with KU. Hell the year they split the title with KU, they still lost to them 3 times by like a combined 70-80 points.
You're likely looking at the preseason #1 and #2 teams next season. How much do you want to bet that KSU doesn't win a game against KU next year?
K-State has not folded. They've played Ku very close in AFH loses the past two years. Last year it was on Svi's walk in the park. This year because Barry didn't drive to the goal at game's end. Both one shot loses. They finished 4th and are going to the dance again.
And kindly keep the conversation in context. I brought the historical stuff because back in the Big 8 days, Ku did not dominate K-State. The program I posted above speaks only to that point. But that's also what makes it so difficult for Weber today - history.
That said, he's won over a lot of fans this year. Last night's game was no exception. The "play hard" and roster are back to Big 12 quality after the Marcus Foster fiasco had decimated it.
And kindly keep the conversation in context. I brought the historical stuff because back in the Big 8 days, Ku did not dominate K-State. The program I posted above speaks only to that point. But that's also what makes it so difficult for Weber today - history.
That said, he's won over a lot of fans this year. Last night's game was no exception. The "play hard" and roster are back to Big 12 quality after the Marcus Foster fiasco had decimated it.
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So ignore the 16 point loss last night and the 14 point loss at home? Webers 2 best seasons at KSU included 6 games against KU. He lost all six by an average of 12 points. Folding.
Now you're going someplace else with the argument. K-Staters were very proud of the effort last night without both Barry and Wade. I'm not sure you're making your intended point.
Sorry, but there are still some glaring holes in that KSU roster. That center you have is legit but there were guys out there that aren't good enough to be playing on a team with Final Four aspirations so if they are still part of the rotation next year then KSU's ceiling is capped. Yeah, they're better than terrible but they don't have the volume of bodies needed to be a serious contender for the big, big goal. It's a Big 12 roster but it's a middle of the Big 12 roster.
KSU battled and tried but without Wade and Brown they didn't have a chance. KU didn't even play very hard or very well, were also missing one of their two best options and they dominated KSU last night. KU could have hung 100 on them easily last night if they were getting after it.
How am I going someplace else with my argument? My entire point had been how Weber folds when he plays KU, and I'll I've done is provide facts to back that up. Would you like to talk about that 14 point loss on your home court when you were fighting for first place in the league? You know, the one where Wade scored 20 and Brown scored 9 and the rest of your team scored 27?
The thread is about Weber and how K-State fans and others see him. Start at the top and read. It begins with State not even making the dance because they'll lose to Baylor. Reality is that they finished 4th and are going to the dance, again.
All I'm saying is that the program and coach Weber are in a good place presently. State's depth is solid, in spite of what Taco tries. There are legit, high-quality players now. And State fans are, generally, okay to excited about the future and coach Weber.
All I'm saying is that the program and coach Weber are in a good place presently. State's depth is solid, in spite of what Taco tries. There are legit, high-quality players now. And State fans are, generally, okay to excited about the future and coach Weber.
Hey if you're good with what Weber had done to date, then who am I to step in the way. There's no doubt in my mind the longer Weber is the coach at KSU, it will benefit ISU.
Yes, I've long been a Weber guy. Doesn't cheat. Builds character and talent. His program is in a good place. There, the OP is answered.
The only thing Weber has ever done is inherit talent Bill Self brought to Illinois. Once a boot licker always a boot licker.
If you're looking for average, Bruce Weber is your guy. He'll always be a middle of the pack guy who likely never will get you past the second game of any tourney. I personally think KSU could do, and deserves, better, but if you're fanbase is content, by all means enjoy!
I guess ole Hugs just continues to fold like a cheap suitcase for Ku. It has nothing to do with tradition, coaching, talent, guys, et al. It's just all about average in Morgantown. 
PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.
PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.
