Where is Surly? Let’s discuss Bruce

[JP4CY]

I guess ole Hugs just continues to fold like a cheap suitcase for Ku. It has nothing to do with tradition, coaching, talent, guys, et al. It's just all about average in Morgantown.

PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.

Hugs is far superior to Bruce. He can actually beat Kansas, maybe not this year but they have recently in Morgantown at least.
I hate his style but he’s won more NCAA tourney games alone last year than Bruce has in the last decade.

 

[chuckd4735]

I guess ole Hugs just continues to fold like a cheap suitcase for Ku. It has nothing to do with tradition, coaching, talent, guys, et al. It's just all about average in Morgantown.

PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.

Huggy is 4-10 against KU since joining the league, the same year as Webers first year. Weber is 2-13. Both bad, but Weber is worse.

For the record, in that stretch:

Baylor is 2-12 (.143)
ISU is 5-10 (.333)
KSU is 2-13 (.133)
OU is 3-9 (.250)
OSU is 6-8 (.429)
TCU is 2-12 (.143)
Tech is 1-12 (.077)
Texas is 1-11 (.083)
WVU is 4-10 (.286)

KSU, who considers KU their main rival, has a terrific home court advantage, and is 2 hours away from KC where they have played KU 3 times in KC, has the third worst winning percentage against KU since WVU, TCU, and Weber joined.

 

[JP4CY]

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Are all those trophy’s from someone else’s players? Even the photo with Snyder, 1 of the 2 trophies is from football.

 

[cycloneML]

I guess ole Hugs just continues to fold like a cheap suitcase for Ku. It has nothing to do with tradition, coaching, talent, guys, et al. It's just all about average in Morgantown.

PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.

Good point on KU. I am now at the acceptance phase. I am going to “let it go.” Maybe I will even cheer for them in the tourney.

 

[CycloneErik]

I guess ole Hugs just continues to fold like a cheap suitcase for Ku. It has nothing to do with tradition, coaching, talent, guys, et al. It's just all about average in Morgantown.

PS: Ku basketball dominance of this conference is just amazing.

Back to back collapses in the tourney final for the hillbillies. Hugs peaks out at the semifinals.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Hugs is far superior to Bruce. He can actually beat Kansas, maybe not this year but they have recently in Morgantown at least.
I hate his style but he’s won more NCAA tourney games alone last year than Bruce has in the last decade.

Isn’t Hugs 4-10 against KU with WVU, with better teams?

Some think too highly of the KSU program. Weber is doing a solid job given it’s KSU. Weber isn’t a HoF like Huggy or Self, but if that’s the standard required, we’ve got problems.

 

[surly]

Isn’t Hugs 4-10 against KU with WVU, with better teams?

Some think too highly of the KSU program. Weber is doing a solid job given it’s KSU. Weber isn’t a HoF like Huggy or Self, but if that’s the standard required, we’ve got problems.

This a point others fail to accept, particularly at K-State. Although, I'll wait to see what comes of the FBI before crowning Self.

Hugs is a solid, solid coach. But he's not in the class of Coach K, Knight, Smith, Summit, and Wooden. Sorry, that's just elite company that he'll never join in my view.

 

[inCyteful]

Weber's hurdle before the season was upper half finish and a dance card. He'll accomplish that. Remember when we had this discussion before the season and every one of you had K-State 8, 9, 10 in this conference. And most had ISU finishing above.

I want him to succeed. He doesn't cheat. He's a genuinely good guy with a great family. Yes, he has some curious mannerisms, like telling the truth, never sitting, and not getting technicals. But overall, he's a solid dude who we should all hope is successful at some level.

We'll see how it plays out. Many K-State fans want to be Ku without football, which explains a lot of the consternation. It used to be that way before Lon left for Illinois. But many bad choices have left a tough situation today for Weber.

If he is such a great family guy, why doesn't he bring them out on the court with him during the game?

 

[JP4CY]

Isn’t Hugs 4-10 against KU with WVU, with better teams?

Some think too highly of the KSU program. Weber is doing a solid job given it’s KSU. Weber isn’t a HoF like Huggy or Self, but if that’s the standard required, we’ve got problems.

I don’t know if WV has had better teams, I do think Hugs can coach up more than Bruce and that equates to more winning. He has a system he uses (that I hate) but it works with an assortment of players.
Bruce also gets to play Kansas at his place, at the Phog, or in KC all while never having more than what, an hour and a half bus ride?

 

[FinalFourCy]

I don’t know if WV has had better teams, I do think Hugs can coach up more than Bruce and that equates to more winning. He has a system he uses (that I hate) but it works with an assortment of players.
Bruce also gets to play Kansas at his place, at the Phog, or in KC all while never having more than what, an hour and a half bus ride?

Bus ride times? That may be the first time that’s been used in analyzing coaching.

You either think very highly of KSU or you have a ridiculously high standard. Weber isn’t a Hall of Fame coach, but that’s not exactly incriminating. How do you feel about Prohm?

 

[JP4CY]

Bus ride times? That may be the first time that’s been used in analyzing coaching.

You either think very highly of KSU or you have a ridiculously high standard. Weber isn’t a Hall of Fame coach, but that’s not exactly incriminating. How do you feel about Prohm?

I think travel time can matter, sure. You don’t think ISU has benefited at the Big 12 tourney being 3 hours away? We’ve also played pretty well at KU for quite a few years recently. Not as many wins as I’d like but we’ve been in a lot of games.
I think KState should be better than a .500 conference team under Bruce. No reason they can’t be 11-7 most years.
He is averaging just under 8-10 the last 4 years there. He is basically the same coach there he was at Illinois after the first couple years. Once the previous coach’s players are gone, he’s extremely mediocre.

And I think Steve is fully capable of getting those 11 wins most years. I like him as a coach. Don’t love his timeouts or substitution patterns but Fred’s teams didn’t play much D and McD’s teams didn’t have much offense.
So I’ll take a good offense and a better than average defense with Steve.

 

[CycloneErik]

If he is such a great family guy, why doesn't he bring them out on the court with him during the game?

There isn't room left on the court once Bruce takes his spots.

Also, to bring some peace here, can't we all agree that really, all of us love Bruce Weber for one reason or another?

 

[JP4CY]

There isn't room left on the court once Bruce takes his spots.

Also, to bring some peace here, can't we all agree that really, all of us love Bruce Weber for one reason or another?

I like our chances playing KState with Bruce in charge more than Hugs, Martin, or if they would have hired Underwood.

 

[surly]

I like our chances playing KState with Bruce in charge more than Hugs, Martin, or if they would have hired Underwood.

This so funny. Frank, a known cheat, has taken USC,e to one NCAA tournament in six years, this will be Weber's fourth in the same period.

As for his family, they sit across the aisle from me. Bruce always looks at Megan before the start of every game. It's an obviously close relationship, very close. His girls are often there, just below Bill Snyder in the stands. It's one of the reasons I like the guy.

 

[JP4CY]

This so funny. Frank, a known cheat, has taken USC,e to one NCAA tournament in six years, this will be Weber's fourth in the same period.

As for his family, they sit across the aisle from me. Bruce always looks at Megan before the start of every game. It's an obviously close relationship, very close. His girls are often there, just below Bill Snyder in the stands. It's one of the reasons I like the guy.

So funny? SC has been a garbage program for 45 years. Him getting them to a Final Four is a miracle.

As for his family? Who asked or cares about Bruce’s family? And you bringing that up with that description is creepy.

 

[WastedTalent]

Bruce vs McDermott first round.
Foster vs his old team.
Could be fun.

Surly, I'm curious, who on KSt's team was around when Foster was there?

 

[chuckd4735]

This so funny. Frank, a known cheat, has taken USC,e to one NCAA tournament in six years, this will be Weber's fourth in the same period.

As for his family, they sit across the aisle from me. Bruce always looks at Megan before the start of every game. It's an obviously close relationship, very close. His girls are often there, just below Bill Snyder in the stands. It's one of the reasons I like the guy.

Yet, Martin has 4 NCAA Tournament wins in those 6 years, while Weber has zero.

 

[kingcy]

I think travel time can matter, sure. You don’t think ISU has benefited at the Big 12 tourney being 3 hours away? We’ve also played pretty well at KU for quite a few years recently. Not as many wins as I’d like but we’ve been in a lot of games.
I .

Um ISU has had pretty good teams the last few years.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2015.html

Foster would have graduated last year had he stayed at K-State. Came in with Iwundu, Nigel Johnson, and Jevon Thomas. Iwundu is the only one who stayed beyond their sophomore seasons, graduating last year. I don't remember what happened to the other guys, but I remember there being mass exodus.

Just scrolling through their roster over the last 7,8 years or so it is insane the amount of turnover they've had. What's more surprising is that they can stay at least modestly competitive, even during years which were certainly 'rebuilding' seasons.

It appears that 1 player on KSU's active roster would have played a season with Foster and co. That person being a walk-on freshman guard Mason Schoen, now a senior, whom I have no recollection of ever seeing play against ISU.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Decided to do a little research on some of these guys...

Not sure if it's the same Jevon Thomas, but it looks like he either quit school, or got dismissed from Seton Hall in 2017, and wound up at the University of Texas of the Permian Basin (UTPB). Stunk in up pretty bad it looks like for half of the past season, and if this is the same Jevon Thomas, looks like he got into some trouble https://www.mrt.com/news/crime/article/Man-arrested-on-assault-charge-12631477.php

Nigel Johnson appears to have done well for himself, spending a year in college sports purgatory (Rutgers) and then grad-transferred to overall #1 seed Virginia where he's a contributing role player it looks like

KSU lost basically their entire FR. class from 2014-15 as well. Incredible that they've overcame that in such a short amount of time.