The offense has zero identity

[FinalFourCy]

Do you really expect our fans to hang around and watch Barney Cotton Ball 2.0? It was bad enough the first time. Do not want to experience a squeal.

It’s not about what I expect, but rather what they’ve proven to do.

Fan attendance has increased dramatically since 2005, yet that 2005 offense was the high water mark until last year, which again was only one point better.

You’re really grasping at straws and have nothing to back up your point.

 

[CyCloned]

It’s not about what I expect, but rather what they’ve proven to do.

Fan attendance has increased dramatically since 2005, yet that 2005 offense was the high water mark until last year, which again was only one point better.

You’re really grasping at straws and have nothing to back up your point.

Offense has a lot of work to do, but in general CMC does not want to get into track meet games either. Fans like winning games. Winning 6-3 is not as fun, but still better than losing 63-50.

The OL is so bad right now that there are a lot of plays ISU can't run. Half expect one of the true freshman to get a start at tackle in a couple weeks if things don't improve.

 

[jmb]

Ever hear of someone using something as an example?

Ever heard of dumb example?

 

[hoosman]

Would there be any recruiting effects at WR if we shifted to Hawkeyeball? Is Campbell grooming his son to be our next OC? Actually a 12 year old could run our offense right now. Throw sideline screen right, throw sideline screen left, run up the middle, punt.

 

[DarkStar]

It’s not about what I expect, but rather what they’ve proven to do.

Fan attendance has increased dramatically since 2005, yet that 2005 offense was the high water mark until last year, which again was only one point better.

You’re really grasping at straws and have nothing to back up your point.

You are embarrassing yourself. ISU has not had an offensive identity since we had Seneca and Sage as our QBs. Those years were our offensive high water mark.

You are ignoring 2004 but if you want to talk about 2005, OK. 2005 was the beginning of the end of the Mac era. We had an offense that played not to lose instead of playing to win. That offense could never put away some really bad teams. We pissed away three really close games in overtime because we took our foot off the gas in the middle of the game. Never mind letting Baylor getting its first road conference win in 10 years of trying. We could only score 13 points against that Baylor team!?! I almost got rid of my season tickets after that year.

It was also JP's first year as our AD. JP started walking the tailgating lots, before every game, and talked to the fans to find out what they were thinking and measuring their general mood. JP has tried a lot of different things to get fans to come to the games. JP got rid of Mac because he knew he could not grow the fan base with the style of play and product on the field Mac was putting out. So he got rid of the coach with the most wins in ISU history and has been selling hope ever since. JP continually says our fans are out performing the product they are putting on the field. We are. He knows there is another breaking point coming.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

We used to chant this:

Up the middle
Up the middle
Drop pass
Punt

Up the middle
Up the middle
Drop pass
Punt

 

[DarkStar]

Would there be any recruiting effects at WR if we shifted to Hawkeyeball? Is Campbell grooming his son to be our next OC? Actually a 12 year old could run our offense right now. Throw sideline screen right, throw sideline screen left, run up the middle, punt.

Crutchfield left, Crutchfield right, Crutchfield up the middle, punt.

Yes I am also having Donnie Duncan era flashbacks as well....

For the Love of God, Please, Do not make me remember Criner and Walden....

 

[knowlesjam]

One big positive right now is the special teams play...punting, field goals, and punt returns have gotten back to a strength for the team. Yeah, I know that we need TDs, not FGs, but it is nice to have the special teams execute well when we need them to.

But the slam Monty into the line every first down play has got to change...

 

[Cat Stevens]

If that is what CMC is doing, He and JP do not realize that fan support and attendance will drop back to Mac era levels.

Only for shittty fans.

For more than a decade people have cried a out molding the team in the image of K state. That’s what you’re seeing here now. Now we are actually doing this, and there are “fans” mad about that.

Are you kidding me at this point?

 

[Cat Stevens]

You are embarrassing yourself. ISU has not had an offensive identity since we had Seneca and Sage as our QBs. Those years were our offensive high water mark.

You are ignoring 2004 but if you want to talk about 2005, OK. 2005 was the beginning of the end of the Mac era. We had an offense that played not to lose instead of playing to win. That offense could never put away some really bad teams. We pissed away three really close games in overtime because we took our foot off the gas in the middle of the game. Never mind letting Baylor getting its first road conference win in 10 years of trying. We could only score 13 points against that Baylor team!?! I almost got rid of my season tickets after that year.

It was also JP's first year as our AD. JP started walking the tailgating lots, before every game, and talked to the fans to find out what they were thinking and measuring their general mood. JP has tried a lot of different things to get fans to come to the games. JP got rid of Mac because he knew he could not grow the fan base with the style of play and product on the field Mac was putting out. So he got rid of the coach with the most wins in ISU history and has been selling hope ever since. JP continually says our fans are out performing the product they are putting on the field. We are. He knows there is another breaking point coming.

No, you are the embarrassing one here. If you want to watch track meets, then probably okie state and tech are your teams.

I want to get wins. We are a geographical outlier, a northern team in a southern conference. We will never ever out athlete the south teams in our league. We have to out scheme them, and be a tough physical football team.

 

[CloneGuy8]

We won. Enjoy it; Akron isn't terrible.

 

[BoxsterCy]

We have an identity. It's throw the ball down field to Butler and Eaton. However, our coaches haven't figured that out yet, it seems.

Seems if you have to go Texas Tech you go Texas Tech. I think that having a running back as highly regarded as Montgomery keeps them from doing that. We also have a good defense so they don't want go all in Tech but maybe 50% Tech would be in order. They want Montgomery to be the heart and soul (or so it seems) but Bulter's the heart and soul. Bad news is that the line isn't going to suddenly develop or mature heading into conference play.

Anyway, me watching the play calling and run execution =

 

[clonedude]

I fear CMC is a younger KF. I know KF has had his share of success, but I don't want to watch an offense so boring it makes me tired. Manning's play calling was a lot less conservative than CMC's. Right now, Iowa's offense is more exciting to watch than ours, how pathetic is that?

 

[DarkStar]

Only for shittty fans.

For more than a decade people have cried a out molding the team in the image of K state. That’s what you’re seeing here now. Now we are actually doing this, and there are “fans” mad about that.

Are you kidding me at this point?

Every fan base has their idiots. Actually closer to two decades we have had idiot fans crying out demanding we imitate Snyder. For almost two decades I have been calling them out and also mocking purple kitty fans for that style of play and way of thinking.

"Snyder is the greatest coach ever because he does more with less." Saying "Snyder should be in the Hall of Fame because he managed to win two conference championships" (in two years when the conference was way down) in twenty years of trying is basically saying Manhattan is such a hell hole that only the greatest coach ever in the history of college football could achieve that moderate level of success.

I thank God every day I am not a purple kitty fan and have to hang my hat on that. President Park and his administration really nuked our football program by cutting off financial support. It has taken decades to rebuild our program to a point where we can be competitive. I am not going to set my standards so low that Snyder ball is the goal. ISU and Ames is way better than that.

And for the record, CMC is not trying to mold our program in the image of the purple kitties. Chris did an interview with CMC this summer and asked him to list coaches and programs he looks at when trying to build one here. Snyder and the purple kitties was not on that list.

 

[RedBlooded]

I wouldn't bet on it. Buffalo versus Toledo would be my guess. I can see Akron going 8-3 though.

I dont know about that. Buffalo has had some nice games but this Akron team could have beat 2 big 10 teams this year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

You are embarrassing yourself. ISU has not had an offensive identity since we had Seneca and Sage as our QBs. Those years were our offensive high water mark.

You are ignoring 2004 but if you want to talk about 2005, OK. 2005 was the beginning of the end of the Mac era. We had an offense that played not to lose instead of playing to win. That offense could never put away some really bad teams. We pissed away three really close games in overtime because we took our foot off the gas in the middle of the game. Never mind letting Baylor getting its first road conference win in 10 years of trying. We could only score 13 points against that Baylor team!?! I almost got rid of my season tickets after that year.

It was also JP's first year as our AD. JP started walking the tailgating lots, before every game, and talked to the fans to find out what they were thinking and measuring their general mood. JP has tried a lot of different things to get fans to come to the games. JP got rid of Mac because he knew he could not grow the fan base with the style of play and product on the field Mac was putting out. So he got rid of the coach with the most wins in ISU history and has been selling hope ever since. JP continually says our fans are out performing the product they are putting on the field. We are. He knows there is another breaking point coming.

 

[SpokaneCY]

You are embarrassing yourself. ISU has not had an offensive identity since we had Seneca and Sage as our QBs. Those years were our offensive high water mark.

You are ignoring 2004 but if you want to talk about 2005, OK. 2005 was the beginning of the end of the Mac era. We had an offense that played not to lose instead of playing to win. That offense could never put away some really bad teams. We pissed away three really close games in overtime because we took our foot off the gas in the middle of the game. Never mind letting Baylor getting its first road conference win in 10 years of trying. We could only score 13 points against that Baylor team!?! I almost got rid of my season tickets after that year.

It was also JP's first year as our AD. JP started walking the tailgating lots, before every game, and talked to the fans to find out what they were thinking and measuring their general mood. JP has tried a lot of different things to get fans to come to the games. JP got rid of Mac because he knew he could not grow the fan base with the style of play and product on the field Mac was putting out. So he got rid of the coach with the most wins in ISU history and has been selling hope ever since. JP continually says our fans are out performing the product they are putting on the field. We are. He knows there is another breaking point coming.

You definitely have your finger on the pulse of 2004 and maybe 2005. But we have cell phones, facilities and full stadiums now some 15 years later. Also national buzz, great recruiting and a coaching staff with a proven plan unfolding before our eyes. We have major upsets and no blow-out losses. We've played, and can play, with anyone in the conference. When you sell your tickets let me know.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I have complete confidence Campbell will fix it next year but he made a huge mistake not hiring someone who could have significant input in the offense. It didn't have to be an OC, but they needed an offensive mind on the staff. I'm not sure there is one right now. Nothing is cohesive and it seems like things are just thrown at the wall.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You are embarrassing yourself. ISU has not had an offensive identity since we had Seneca and Sage as our QBs. Those years were our offensive high water mark..

Great go back to Seneca and Sage, that's even more contradictory to your contention. What was the attendance then vs the past 5 years? What does the yearly attendance chart look like since we last had an offensive identity and high water mark?

So JP fired DMac because of his style of play having an impact on attendance, then we proceed to generally have even worse offenses and records for nearly 10 years, and attendance goes up greatly. You see how silly you are being?

Attendance is going up because of a myriad of factors, none of which are because of the style of offense. Things like going from smaller Iowa State College to Iowa State University having an enrollment of over 35k, tailgating being ingrained in that growing fanbase, the bump in passion of ISU athletics from success in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's, growing metro area, etc.

 

[DarkStar]

You definitely have your finger on the pulse of 2004 and maybe 2005. But we have cell phones, facilities and full stadiums now some 15 years later. Also national buzz, great recruiting and a coaching staff with a proven plan unfolding before our eyes. We have major upsets and no blow-out losses. We've played, and can play, with anyone in the conference. When you sell your tickets let me know.

I picked those years because that was the example given that I was replying too. Care to pick some different years to discuss?

We had cell phones back in '04/'05 as well. If you are going to try and slam someone at least get your technology correct and say "smartphones".

JP has done a lot to fix ISU's finances, build up a reserve, has been smart in improving facilities across all sports. Equal revenue sharing and a good media contract has helped a lot with that. Nothing for ISU fans to be embarrassed about there. CMC is punching well above our weight on the recruiting trail. Nothing to be embarrassed about there. National media buzz from the OU and TCU wins last year has to be followed up with sustained success this year if we want to keep it. The TOE game really threw a wet blanket on that this year. Still time to recover but it is going to take our offense stepping up and matching our defense and special teams play.

Season ticket sales were down this year, and there will be plenty available next year. Feel free to get more of your friends to buy them. No need to wait for me to sell my season tickets because if I hung in there through all those lean years I am not about to sell them now unless something outside of football happens in my life that prevents me from getting them. I do know many people who are questioning the amount of time and money they are investing in going to games. It is a trend across all of college football and it is going to take more than just grinding out wins to keep people coming back.

It is looking like losing our OC and OLine coach, when we did, has really hindered the development of our offense.

Gundy has a really good offensive mind but it was not until he gave up play calling duties that Okie State was able to take that next step and become a program that consistently is winning 9 or 10 games a year. I hope CMC is putting out feelers to get a good replacement OC next year. I like CMC as the head of our program but our offense is going to need someone solely focused on that area instead of time sharing head coaching duties with OC duties for us to continue to improve and sustain success. I would rather see us follow the success that OSU has experienced instead of what KSU has experienced.