What does ISU do with LJ?

What should LJ's punishment be?

  • Out against KU - He was just being aggressive

    Votes: 112 39.0%
  • Out against KU plus unspecified team sanctions (ala Bass)

    Votes: 104 36.2%
  • Suspended for 1 game after KU

    Votes: 38 13.2%
  • Suspended for 2 or more games after KU

    Votes: 16 5.6%
  • Don't let the door hit ya in the rear

    Votes: 17 5.9%

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jberryma

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yeah if it was another player on another team I certainly wouldn't have been happy about it but I would never accuse the kid of being a dirty player and I would certainly not expect the team to kick the kid off the team. Let him run this week. Personally, I couldn't believe the kid was ejected. I've seen much worse in different football games where the kid never got ejected. Stupid play for sure but anything else is just pushing it. The truth is none of us really know the kid and I agree with what 33 has said throughout the thread, stupid play for sure but far from anything else and he definitely was not the only one committing the personal fouls tonight.
 

Angie

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What happened on the first foul? TV didn't really cover it.

After the play was over, LJ shoved a UNLV player and knocked him down away from the play. The play had been over for about 20 seconds, I think.

"Venting your emotions" is one thing - you don't get ejected from a ******* game for "venting your emotions" unless you're doing something incredibly wrong.
 

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Does anyone have a link to video? How could it have been so bad?

It was bad. A huge cheap shot. Lets remember it is FB and a lot of talking was going on. UNLV was kicking our but and not doing so quietly. There was a lot of extra stuff going on after a lot of playes. Does it make it right hell no, but these things will happen in a games like this. Lets hope our players get smarter and dont do this stupid stuff anymore. He should remain on the team no questions asked.
 

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Was looking for info on the ejection. Not sure if it's a rule that a player gets ejected because of two PFs or not. Sounds like it may be at least in high school. It may have not been for severity of the foul but because it was his second PF.

American football rules - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unsportsmanlike conduct
- .....In high school, two unsportsmanlike conduct fouls on a single player or coach automatically results in ejection. Referee signal: both arms extended to the sides perpendicular to the body with open fists, palms down.
 

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you don't get ejected from a ******* game for "venting your emotions" unless you're doing something incredibly wrong.

If you have virtually back to back personal fouls with one of them being blatant in the endzone, than yes, yes you do.

He's not the first to be ejected from a football game for similar actions. He'll sit out at least a game if not more and will severely pay for it. Dismissal from the team is not the answer for him. When he returns, you put him on a short lease. If he shows he hasn't learned, we'll talk.
 
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Angie

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If you have virtually back to back personal fouls with one of them being blatant in the endzone, than yes, yes you do.

So you're saying he did something right? If you'll read my post, I specifically mention he did something wrong. I'd call two personal fouls doing something wrong.

I am glad it isn't my decision what to do with LJ. I don't know how I feel about him right now, or what I want to happen to him. All I know is that I was incredibly embarrassed in the crowd, as was every other Cyclone fan within sight (and there were hundreds).
 

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So you're saying he did something right? If you'll read my post, I specifically mention he did something wrong. I'd call two personal fouls doing something wrong.

I am glad it isn't my decision what to do with LJ. I don't know how I feel about him right now, or what I want to happen to him. All I know is that I was incredibly embarrassed in the crowd, as was every other Cyclone fan within sight (and there were hundreds).

What I was saying is you can do something wrong by venting your emotions. What I got from your post was that he wanted to blantantly hurt someone or something else.

Why couldn't his actions been the result of losing control of his emotions?
 

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If you weren't completely embarrased by his actions, then what limits do you put on our players/program? I have zero interest in rooting for thugs that don't have the decipline to play the game by the rules.

One PF is more than enough (but somewhat understandable). But two shows an extreme lack of character and disipline.

I'm not sure I'd feel really bad if he never showed up in a Cyclone uniform again.
 

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Why couldn't his actions been the result of losing control of his emotions?

They can be, in fact they probably are a result of losing control of his emotions. But if he can't control his emotions, he's a liability to the team. I am sure he was "coached" after the first time it happened, and the second, and the third. It's reached a point where the coaches have to realize that he is one of many freshman who are not ready to play right away. Athletically he may be ready, but he's not mentally ready and not mature enough to play. And until he is, he shouldn't be on the field.
 
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I said this earlier but I think it's pretty valid. I think it all depends upon your perspective of the hit. Was it intentional? Was it targeted to hurt someone? Was it just playing too aggressive? Is it more severe because is was against a QB? Or because it was after a TD? etc. etc.

I agree with Angie's sentiments about it is embarrassing for an ISU fan. The last thing I want is a team committing cheap shots.

And what about the PF the UNLV lineman got after the play was dead for at least 5 seconds. Should that player be kicked off the team for throwing a guy down to the ground?

I think LJ's PF is so much in the spotlight because it was after a TD and against the QB. That type of hit/play is commited numerous times throughout the season but isn't so blatantly visible because it happens in the middle of the field or against some other player besides a QB. I'm not justifying it at all. It was wrong, especially after picking one up earlier in the game.
 

capitalcityguy

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And what about the PF the UNLV lineman got after the play was dead for at least 5 seconds. Should that player be kicked off the team for throwing a guy down to the ground?

Since he doesn't represent the team I cheer for, I guess I don't really care once the game is over. I'm concerned about how we play and win.
 

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I voted for one game after KU...and thats being nice!!

I firmly believe that IF (and thats a big if) he sees the field again this year, it will ONLY be after he proves to the coaches that he can play WITH emotion and CONTROL it!!!

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO PLAY BUSH LEAUGUE:no::no::no:
 
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I would put this in the game thread, but this is really a topic that goes beyond just the UNLV game.

I don't think LJ is a bad person. I think he's a very talented player. But he has GOT to learn how to play football instead of just hitting, and he's going to have to learn his lesson when it comes to personal fouls.

That cheap shot in the endzone is inexcusable. It goes well beyond being aggressive. It's a lack of respect for the opposition, the game of football, the ISU football team, and Iowa State University.

He embarrassed our entire program and university with that play, and he hurt his team.

I honestly don't think it's too far to kick him off the team, but I think giving him a chance to lean from his mistakes is important too. After all, he's a young kid who has a lot to learn beyond just about the game of football.

That being said, what do you guys think?

Without reading the rest of the responses, here's my answer. Leonard Johnson is without a doubt (in my mind, at least) the best cover corner we've had in years. He's got the Bob Sanders mentality of hitting at all costs. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Let's take a look back at his last three personal fouls. The one against iowa was pretty much a crock, in my mind, at least. He may have ended up with some violent contact on Moeaki, but that was not his intention, until the TE lowered his head, and caused them both a lot of damage. His first personal foul tonight was pretty weak. He swung at the guy, who pulled a Duke BBall player flop, drawing the PF. Obviously, the cheap shot on the QB was pretty intentional and uncalled for. And he should definitely be punished for it.

Loooong story short, he's suspended for this game and next anyway. Should he be suspended for anymore? Hell no. This suspension is entirely acceptable for what he did. Was it the biggest cheap shot ever? Hardly. It was probably the best hit we made all day as a team. Although it was entirely cheap. And we paid the rest of the game by not having a sure tackler out on the ends the rest of the game.

I think that Leonard Johnson is just a hard nosed football player, that is just learning how to play the game. As Chizik has said, it's hard to teach kids how to tone it down in a game situation. They've been taught their entire life how to make the big hits. At what point do you have to teach them to back off and not make those hits. There's a fine line. I think that LJ's going to learn his lesson and will possibly end up being one of the best DB's that we ever see at ISU. He's already lightyears ahead of any DB we've had in the 20+ years I've watched ISU football. At least in his first few games...
 

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After reading some of these responses, I just have to LOL. All of these same people will blah blah blah about wanting a winning program. But, when a guy gets a personal foul, they want him off the team. I'm sorry guys. But without guys like Leonard Johnson, you may as well bring back Walden and hope to hell that we get some onside kicks recovered or we'll never win another conference game.

LJ is not a bad person or a bad representative. He's simply a guy that plays balls to the wall at all times and is going to make some bad decisions due to over aggressiveness sometimes. And if you can't deal with that, start cheering for Navy or Duke. If you want guys that are going to play with great sportsmanship and that care more about making the nice play than the hard nosed play, then don't expect ISU to do anything in football anytime soon. Stop giving. Stop buying season tickets. That's D1 football. Whether you like it or not...
 

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Without reading the rest of the responses, here's my answer. Leonard Johnson is without a doubt (in my mind, at least) the best cover corner we've had in years. He's got the Bob Sanders mentality of hitting at all costs. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Let's take a look back at his last three personal fouls. The one against iowa was pretty much a crock, in my mind, at least. He may have ended up with some violent contact on Moeaki, but that was not his intention, until the TE lowered his head, and caused them both a lot of damage. His first personal foul tonight was pretty weak. He swung at the guy, who pulled a Duke BBall player flop, drawing the PF. Obviously, the cheap shot on the QB was pretty intentional and uncalled for. And he should definitely be punished for it.

Loooong story short, he's suspended for this game and next anyway. Should he be suspended for anymore? Hell no. This suspension is entirely acceptable for what he did. Was it the biggest cheap shot ever? Hardly. It was probably the best hit we made all day as a team. Although it was entirely cheap. And we paid the rest of the game by not having a sure tackler out on the ends the rest of the game.

I think that Leonard Johnson is just a hard nosed football player, that is just learning how to play the game. As Chizik has said, it's hard to teach kids how to tone it down in a game situation. They've been taught their entire life how to make the big hits. At what point do you have to teach them to back off and not make those hits. There's a fine line. I think that LJ's going to learn his lesson and will possibly end up being one of the best DB's that we ever see at ISU. He's already lightyears ahead of any DB we've had in the 20+ years I've watched ISU football. At least in his first few games...


Although I agree with 90% of what you are saying, the fact is that WAS a cheap shot!:sad: There is absolutely no way around it. LJ made an incredibly boneheaded play, and it wasnt his 1st, 2nd or even 3rd... Love the potential and intensity he brings, but that is INEXCUSABLE!!! As a team trying to piece things together and get their first road win in 3 years, you just cant make that kind of play. Especially when your supposedly the lock down corner!!
 

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Where is the dont do anything choice? Sorry, but at this point we cant afford to have him sit out right now. Whether it was a cheap shot or not, add a couple more to the loss column if he is out and i am not ok with that.
 
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LJ reminds me of a safty for Oklahoma a few years back. Brandon Everage. He had some of the most vicious hits ive ever seen in college football. I remember multiple times, he would have a chance for a pick, but would turn it down to completely destroy the unprotected reciever. Sometimes knocking them out of the game. Most of the hits were clean, some not-so-much. Everage just loved hit hit/hurt people, and LJ seems to be turning into a young Everage. His late hit tonight was totally uncalled for and wrong. Make him run til he vomits, and when he does tell him next time... smoke him before he scores. Personally, I was embarrassed that he laid the hit, but so thrilled and proud that he WANTED to lay the hit. I believe that the extensive number of personal fouls is due to a team that has totally changed their game-time attitude, and is having trouble adjusting their actions accordingly. Its a very exciting time to be a cyclone...we finally are getting players that want to punish the other team just for showing up.

Oh yeah, Everage got a ring...and I believe is now playing on Sundays. Not saying but just saying.
 

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LJ reminds me of a safty for Oklahoma a few years back. Brandon Everage. He had some of the most vicious hits ive ever seen in college football. I remember multiple times, he would have a chance for a pick, but would turn it down to completely destroy the unprotected reciever. Sometimes knocking them out of the game. Most of the hits were clean, some not-so-much. Everage just loved hit hit/hurt people, and LJ seems to be turning into a young Everage. His late hit tonight was totally uncalled for and wrong. Make him run til he vomits, and when he does tell him next time... smoke him before he scores. Personally, I was embarrassed that he laid the hit, but so thrilled and proud that he WANTED to lay the hit. I believe that the extensive number of personal fouls is due to a team that has totally changed their game-time attitude, and is having trouble adjusting their actions accordingly. Its a very exciting time to be a cyclone...we finally are getting players that want to punish the other team just for showing up.

Oh yeah, Everage got a ring...and I believe is now playing on Sundays. Not saying but just saying.


While I know who you are speaking of ( and its a GREAT comparison IMO) we arent exactly OU. With that said, I DO love his attitude, just wish he would control it, and learn to harness that nastiness:yes: LJ has a great future if he just listens and learns from GC and our other fearless leaders:yes:
 

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After reading some of these responses, I just have to LOL. All of these same people will blah blah blah about wanting a winning program. But, when a guy gets a personal foul, they want him off the team.

If that is what you really think some people here are saying, I'd suggest you go back and read the comments again.

i.e...."...a personal foul,..."

We're talking more than one personal foul. We're talking two IN ONE GAME....IN ONE HALF OF ONE GAME. The second being a flagurant foul.

You may want to win at any cost (ie..our team's reputation be damned) , but I don't think that is where most fans are at this point.
 
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