No doubt, as I think the ceiling for this team is Big 12 champion. Not saying they'll get it, but the talent is there to do that.
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No doubt, as I think the ceiling for this team is Big 12 champion. Not saying they'll get it, but the talent is there to do that.
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Go watch game tape of Lard last year, he's alot more explosive and the better post player than Jacobson. Some of you guys have short memories about how good he is or you are just holding a grudge because of his suspension and Jacobson's hot start.
Go watch game tape of Lard last year, he's alot more explosive and the better post player than Jacobson. Some of you guys have short memories about how good he is or you are just holding a grudge because of his suspension and Jacobson's hot start.
Dropping the least efficient and effective players from last year and replacing them with better ones:
There are only 2 players in our 8 man rotation that played a year ago, NWB and Lewis. I agree, NWB wasn’t the problem a year ago.
So, what happens when we add back in more players from last year?
Lard’s stats in efficiency and effectiveness were best on the team last year. One would think he’ll continue that, although it could be argued that it’s at the expense of others if not executed well (clogging up the lane as opposed to being a rim runner, or bringing an extra defender as opposed to a screen).
Structurally, I don’t see Young being significantly different than Lard in terms of potential impact on adding efficiency and effectiveness. Young is a good finisher on offense and a facilitator of good defense and rebounding.
Talley is an interesting addition. He was a low usage guy last year, and struggled to shoot well enough early to play the position the staff had him at. He could be an effective mismatch at the four, or a just a wallflower.
Wigginton is going to be the challenge imo
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I’m excited to have him back and he’ll play a lot. But he’s not better than Jacobson. Explosive? That means very little, particularly when the other option is sufficiently athletic.
I don’t give a **** about the suspension, or some mythical high ceiling. Lard was a very good redshirt freshman, when he wanted to be, but he’s more of a high floor guy than he is a high ceiling guy.
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When everyone is healthy Im in the camp of going with Lard and Jacobson together.
Wiggington
NWB
Shayok
Lard
Jacobson
THT becomes our 6th man and still plays 25-30 minutes a game, hes a great talent but right now he hasnt been that efficient.
Wiggington
NWB
Shayok
Lard
Jacobson
THT becomes our 6th man and still plays 25-30 minutes a game, hes a great talent but right now he hasnt been that efficient.
Ok, we'll just agree to disagree, I think Lard is the better player, Jacobson has more range but if you compare the two in the paint Lard is the superior player. You are basing your argument seeing him play 6 games, 3 against terrible competition, Im basing mine on an entire season of competing against Big 12 competition and expected improvement from a freshman to a sophomore.
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I think they offer different things but Lard is very good and he will get plenty of minutes when he comes back.
Pick the seven worst opponents Lard played against last year, and it still wouldn’t match Jacobson’s play. Saying Lard is better than Jacobson requires some decent extrapolation.
Unless Lard improved significantly, it’s more than just range. How much basketball did Lard play in the offseason?
Agreed, that's why I think they should both be on the floor together as much as possible, then let Soloman give them breathers. Whether Prohm does this or not is the question though, it wouldn't surprise me if it takes Lard awhile to start if he's still in Prohm's doghouse.
Lard averaged 18.4 points, 11.9 rebounds and 2 blocks in games againts Alcorn St, Texas, Kansas twice, West Virginia, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. Four of those games were against ranked teams. He's more than capable of equaling and even surpassing Jacobson's output.
As @FinalFourCy noted, there is a "good Lard" who is rim-running, blocking shots, pulling down offensive boards, and lurking in the dunking spot.
There is also a bad Lard who might hurt our excellent team defense through poor positioning and selling out for the block rather than making the fundamental play and hurt our spacing by having no range, making it harder for Jacobson to operate on the block himself and/or making our very effective PNR have to deal with more crowding in the lane.
Cameron had some excellent games last season, but he also had some clunkers.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cameron-lard-1/gamelog/2018
Anything under 50% from the field for a big man who shoots almost all of his shots at essentially point blank range has to be something of a Mendoza Line.
He is a career 58.9% FT shooter, too, making hack-a-Lard a viable strategy. Jacobson is a career 71.5% from the line, which will make teams think twice a little more.
Are you taking into account things like defense and rebounding, the two most important things for a post player, or are you just looking at PPG? Lard was close to averaging a double-double last year and averaged 2.2 bpg, Jacobson has 1 block so far the entire season. Lard is a better defensive post player and offensive player in the paint.
The only thing I think Jacobson is better at is shooting outside the paint, he has a little more range, can hit 3's and free throws, but Lard shot 60% from the field last year, which is highly efficient.
Jacobson is a stud no doubt, but I think you'll see his stats start to regress once everyone comes back, I think he'll end up being a 12-6 guy by the end of the year, expecting him to keep up 17-7 is asking alot.
This isn’t really synonymous with matching Jacobson’s play. I didn’t say output as I don’t care about raw per game numbers while on a bad team.
Isn't it nice arguing about which one of our two excellent post players is better?
A team could force the ball to the same guy every possession and he could get 40 points out of it, but they are probably going to lose every game.
Raw numbers are useless if they are not adjusted for usage.
With Jacobson's range though, it might pull a 4 or 5 out of the lane and allow Lard more room inside to dominate. He didnt really have that last year with Solomon, so they could double team him in the post. Thats why Im giddy about having both of them in the game together.
So you don't like guys that block 2 shots per game and potentially alter the shots of numerous others? You just want players that stay in their lanes correctly and don't do much else, as long as they are guarding them and at least get a hand in their face thats fine?
I mean, Mckay won the DPOY award I assume because he blocked alot of shots and made many others think twice about taking it into the paint against him right?
