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Cyclonepride

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I'm not basing this on opinion which most people are. This is strictly based on statistics. Lard was our best defensive player last year. This is not opinion, this is fact. Jacobson is one of our worst which again is fact and not opinion. This whole concern about ball screen defense seems ludicrous when you look at the actual data.

Do you think we can switch all screens with Lard in there?
 

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You don't think working out with the coaching staff, working on strength/conditioning, and watching practices had any benefit on his first year of play? I would imagine it paid off a ton, especially compared to a true freshman coming in in June/July.
Yeah, for several reasons Lard certainly doesn’t fall under the typical convention of saying the most improvement happens between the freshman and sophomore seasons.
He has probably improved the most of all redshirt FR to redshirt So that spent the summer at a wellness clinic though.
 

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You don't think working out with the coaching staff, working on strength/conditioning, and watching practices had any benefit on his first year of play? I would imagine it paid off a ton, especially compared to a true freshman coming in in June/July.

I didn't say it didn't have any benefit. But he wasn't learning the system either offensive or defensively.
 

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I'm not basing this on opinion which most people are. This is strictly based on statistics. Lard was our best defensive player last year. This is not opinion, this is fact. Jacobson is one of our worst which again is fact and not opinion. This whole concern about ball screen defense seems ludicrous when you look at the actual data.

Cameron Lard
2017-2018 DRTG = 103.6

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cameron-lard-1.html

Michael Jacobson
2018-2019 DRTG = 92.2

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/michael-jacobson-1.html
 

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Defensive efficiency ratings can be a really bad measure on how good a defender is because so much of defense depends on your teammates and communication.
Lard is a better rebounder and is a better rim protector but he did struggle at times last year in some areas of team defense but so did the whole team and it don't see it as something that can't get better. It isn't like he is Luka Garza out there moving through mud.
 

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One assessment is being made on a limited sample of 7 games, while the other is based on hope. One is a valid methodology, the other just being a fan.

Hope? You do realize Lard played 25 games last year agaisnt some of the best competition in basketball right? Not like he's a huge unknown at this point.
 
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Defensive efficiency ratings can be a really bad measure on how good a defender is because so much of defense depends on your teammates and communication.
Lard is a better rebounder and is a better rim protector but he did struggle at times last year in some areas of team defense but so did the whole team and it don't see it as something that can't get better. It isn't like he is Luka Garza out there moving through mud.
I would argue Lard being a better rebounder. Both a very good but I think Jacobson is slightly better in that area.
 
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Do you think we can switch all screens with Lard in there?

I'm not a coach. I don't concern myself with Xs and Os. I'm only concerned about results. Lard was our best defensive player last year and Jacobson is one of our worst this year. Our defense gets a lot better when Conditt is on the floor in place of Jacobson. I have no doubt that our defense will be better with Lard on the floor in place of Jacobson.
 

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We're a better defensive team this year than last year. You need to look at ranking within team and not raw data.

A guy who is...

Relatively bad on a good team.

...can be better than a guy who is...

Relatively good on a bad team.

Barttovik has our adjusted defensive efficiency this year as #26 nationally.

We were #108 last season.

I do not know how you improve so much if one guy is really dragging it down.

Jacobson might not be what Lard is on the boards and with rim protection, but he is fundamentally solid with positioning, waiting for the help, and not losing track of his man. He has some capacity to switch on the outside to guard stretch types and wings, and he is smart about recovering and switching back to the big when he has a chance to do so.

Lard and Solo got hosed last year when they were away from the paint, on the other hand.

You are right it is an ecosystem, but Jacobson plays well within it. I am not sure an aggressive rim protector, even a good one, is quite as good of a fit.
 

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A guy who is...

Relatively bad on a good team.

...can be better than a guy who is...

Relatively good on a bad team.

Barttovik has our adjusted defensive efficiency this year as #26 nationally.

We were #108 last season.

I do not know how you improve so much if one guy is really dragging it down.

Jacobson might not be what Lard is on the boards and with rim protection, but he is fundamentally solid with positioning, waiting for the help, and not losing track of his man. He has some capacity to switch on the outside to guard stretch types and wings, and he is smart about recovering and switching back to the big when he has a chance to do so.

Lard and Solo got hosed last year when they were away from the paint, on the other hand.

You are right it is an ecosystem, but Jacobson plays well within it. I am not sure an aggressive rim protector, even a good one, is quite as good of a fit.

This describes Conditt exactly and we're much better defensively with him in instead of Jacobson.
 

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You don't think working out with the coaching staff, working on strength/conditioning, and watching practices had any benefit on his first year of play? I would imagine it paid off a ton, especially compared to a true freshman coming in in June/July.

I'd add that the jump in play benefit is more from the first year playing to the next not just freshman to sophmore year.

Playing a year in the league against older P6 posts exposes weaknesses and the players get use to the grind of practice/school work/travel games. After year one they can use the summer to focus on their week areas to make improvements. It also helps the staff put together a good fitness routine to focus on the players weak areas and Coaches to see what the player does well to help scheme them into successful positions. Lard for instance looks like he gained a lot of muscle probably to help him maintain leverage in the post against the Duke's and Keonte's of the conference. Also posts are usually the most effective as Junior/Seniors as they add coordination to their size. From a timing stand point RS sophomore Lard should be set up for improvement from last year. Of course being at the wellness center for a good part of the summer affect is an unknown vesrable.
 

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I didn't say it didn't have any benefit. But he wasn't learning the system either offensive or defensively.

You downplayed him being here. That article was written within two weeks of him arriving and the season ended 2 months later. Unless he was sitting at practice on his phone I'm sure he was still learning things.
 

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I'm not a coach. I don't concern myself with Xs and Os. I'm only concerned about results. Lard was our best defensive player last year and Jacobson is one of our worst this year. Our defense gets a lot better when Conditt is on the floor in place of Jacobson. I have no doubt that our defense will be better with Lard on the floor in place of Jacobson.

This describes Conditt exactly and we're much better defensively with him in instead of Jacobson.
Nate Schuster is thrilled to learn you have him as the best defender. You’re the only one.

Stats say Jacobson is a better defender than Lard was a year ago. There’s no doubt that is a big reason why we’re a better defense overall. Guards look better when the forward knows how to play ball screens, not to mention has the quickness to switch.
 
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Nate Schuster is thrilled to learn you have him as the best defender. You’re the only one.

Stats say Jacobson is a better defender than Lard was a year ago. There’s no doubt that is a big reason why we’re a better defense overall. Guards look better when the forward knows how to play ball screens, not to mention has the quickness to switch.

We're a better defense than a year ago. You can't say we're a better defense because of Jacobson considering we're a better defense when Conditt is in instead of Jacobson.
 

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I am just glad we will have both Jacobson and Lard, not to mention at some point Young. When is the last time ISU had that kind of depth on the interior?
 
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