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Why are “good fans” lol even pretending lard Transferring has everything to do with his suspensions. The better player watched a backup start all year with no legitimate reason why.. all the egg heads will say but cam fouled a bunch.. well cam played defense and contested shots while Jacobson jumped out of the way to ensure he stays on the floor. Lard wasn’t going to waste another year sitting behind a lesser player. good move on his part because prohms fascination with giving the opposing teams the upper hand by starting Jacobson is set in stone.

This is harsh, and I've seen the usual suspects are offended by your post but its completely the truth. Chemistry issues arise when guys have to sit on the bench and watch players they are better than make mistake after mistake with no chance of being held accountable.

CSP is gravitating towards the Ferentz method of not putting the best talent on the floor and not giving his team the best chance to win. He would rather play someone because "they are a good kid" , "they try really hard in practice", or they "know the playbook better".
 

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As Haalands articles point out teams got to.the rim at will when Lard was in the game. The percentage of shots at the rim go through the roof with Lard in vs Jacobson. He blocks and alters more shots if course, but not nearly enough to offset the massive increase of shots at the rim allowed when Cam comes in. He was better vs osu by a long shot. 270 lb Wesson in a let em play officiating crew is better suited for Lard. Otherwise Jacobson produced better and more consistently the balance of the year. Lard was unrealized potential and the fact that once or twice a game he'd have a big block doesn't change the fact that we was not a good defender. Challenging shots is great, but not when there are so many shots at the rim to challenge because you are awful in the P&R .

Unreal that some of you guys are still convinced Jacobson is a good Big 12 post defender. Absolutely blows my mind, hmm, can't figure out why he got benched in the second half against OSU.
 

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CSP is gravitating towards the Ferentz method of not putting the best talent on the floor and not giving his team the best chance to win. He would rather play someone because "they are a good kid" , "they try really hard in practice", or they "know the playbook better".
I assume you’re referring to LW and Lard?
They weren’t the best players for most of the year. LW was really struggling on defense and he got starter minutes. Lard isn’t universally better than Jacobson. Plus with Lard, starting him increases the chance he’s not available in more meaningful minutes later.

Guys like Conditt should have gotten more time, particularly in low impact minutes, but that’s different
 

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We all love Campbell. He has certainly ran a tight ship.

I wonder how Campbell would have handled Lard. I doubt he makes it as long as he did.

Heck, considering how long this Lard stuff has went on, I would probably guess that Pollard has weighed in several times (especially with the month-long suspension), and maybe even some other sages around the department, like Campbell or Fennelly.

I figure if there are serious disciplinary issues in any organization like that, then the boss' boss should know about it and might even sanction the plan for dealing with it.
ISU should have told Cam Lard to switch to football. Imagine him at DE or TE!
 

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I assume you’re referring to LW and Lard?
They weren’t the best players for most of the year. LW was really struggling on defense and he got starter minutes. Lard isn’t universally better than Jacobson. Plus with Lard, starting him increases the chance he’s not available in more meaningful minutes later.

Guys like Conditt should have gotten more time, particularly in low impact minutes, but that’s different

Yeah, I told you guys back in December those 2 were the key to how far this team would go. Lard could never get into a rhythm due to fouling so much and Prohm not giving him much of a chance.

The chemistry issues in the locker room we kept hearing about were obviously because Lindell should have been starting once he was healthy. He put up 17 I think in his first game back against Big 12 competition, he should have been put back in the lineup immediately. You dont lose your starting job due to an injury.

Had both of them played an entire season this year and got the minutes and starts they deserved I think this team would have performed at a much higher level than 9-9. Talley should have gotten alot more minutes also.
 

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CSP needs to start holding players accountable both ON and off the court is the last thing I have to say about how he handled Lard. There is no consistency on what he expects of players on the court vs off in their free time.

Good luck Cam, I enjoyed watching you the last 2 years and hope you find success wherever you land.
 

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Yeah, I told you guys back in December those 2 were the key to how far this team would go. Lard could never get into a rhythm due to fouling so much and Prohm not giving him much of a chance.

The chemistry issues in the locker room we kept hearing about were obviously because Lindell should have been starting once he was healthy. He put up 17 I think in his first game back against Big 12 competition, he should have been put back in the lineup immediately. You dont lose your starting job due to an injury.

Had both of them played an entire season this year and got the minutes and starts they deserved I think this team would have performed at a much higher level than 9-9. Talley should have gotten alot more minutes also.
So you’ve been consistently off on this. Congratulations.

Any two rotation players are key to how far this team would go. Great prediction. And the fact Wigginton and Lard never played well enough to earn the starting jobs and more minutes likely did limit this season. But that doesn’t mean they should have started.

You’ve yet to prove those two were limited by not starting or that they deserved to start and get more minutes.

The chemistry issues are a reason Wigginton should have started? That could not be more wrong. If anything, starting a player that didn’t consistently execute things he’s fully capable of and that at least one teammate deemed selfish would not improve chemistry. It would destroy it.

You’ve asked for Prohm to make guys accountable on the court. Nothing should give you more confidence that he’s doing that than the fact he didn’t start Wigginton and Lard. It gives me optimism that the lack of execution, particularly in the last half of conference play, is attributable to being a lemon year. If Prohm is wiling to not start those two, he’s at least trying to keep everyone accountable.
 
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Yeah, I told you guys back in December those 2 were the key to how far this team would go. Lard could never get into a rhythm due to fouling so much and Prohm not giving him much of a chance.

The chemistry issues in the locker room we kept hearing about were obviously because Lindell should have been starting once he was healthy. He put up 17 I think in his first game back against Big 12 competition, he should have been put back in the lineup immediately. You dont lose your starting job due to an injury.

Had both of them played an entire season this year and got the minutes and starts they deserved I think this team would have performed at a much higher level than 9-9. Talley should have gotten alot more minutes also.
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Yeah, I told you guys back in December those 2 were the key to how far this team would go. Lard could never get into a rhythm due to fouling so much and Prohm not giving him much of a chance.

The chemistry issues in the locker room we kept hearing about were obviously because Lindell should have been starting once he was healthy. He put up 17 I think in his first game back against Big 12 competition, he should have been put back in the lineup immediately. You dont lose your starting job due to an injury.

Had both of them played an entire season this year and got the minutes and starts they deserved I think this team would have performed at a much higher level than 9-9. Talley should have gotten alot more minutes also.

CSP needs to start holding players accountable both ON and off the court is the last thing I have to say about how he handled Lard. There is no consistency on what he expects of players on the court vs off in their free time.

Good luck Cam, I enjoyed watching you the last 2 years and hope you find success wherever you land.

Were we watching the same games?

There were some good Lard games this season, but...

(1.) He still fouled himself out of many contests.
(2.) He was hurt for a few games in the middle of the Big 12 season.

The idea that he was manifestly, categorically better than Jacobson at all times is absurd.

I really do not think that Weiler-Babb, Shayok, and Haliburton should have been playing less. I could see a case for starting Wigginton over Horton-Tucker, but Prohm would usually pull THT for LW if the former was clearly not going to be on that night.

Wigginton played more minutes (477) in the Big 12 (compared to 461), even if he was not starting. I care more how many possessions they had, not if they started. If anything, you could argue Wigginton was in the game in more critical and endgame scenarios.

Last four games of the season...

LW = 22, 29, 29, 29 (average of 27.25)
THT = 35, 25, 22, 15 (average of 24.25)

The charge there was some gross mismanagement of the roster and playing time is absurd. Haliburton and the other "long" guys brought more to the table than Talley did. Shayok was first-team all-Big 12, and Nick/Tyrese were much better on offense and shooting than Talley. This sounds like an Iowa football sort of thing about their backup quarterback.
 
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CSP needs to start holding players accountable both ON and off the court is the last thing I have to say about how he handled Lard. There is no consistency on what he expects of players on the court vs off in their free time.

Good luck Cam, I enjoyed watching you the last 2 years and hope you find success wherever you land.
Being held accountable off the court especially CSP does. Unlike Va Tech who lets key guys play in the tourney who just got charged with possession of weed but tested negative for smoking it. LOL to each their own I guess.
 

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This is harsh, and I've seen the usual suspects are offended by your post but its completely the truth. Chemistry issues arise when guys have to sit on the bench and watch players they are better than make mistake after mistake with no chance of being held accountable.

CSP is gravitating towards the Ferentz method of not putting the best talent on the floor and not giving his team the best chance to win. He would rather play someone because "they are a good kid" , "they try really hard in practice", or they "know the playbook better".

Ok... So you would feel better if Cam started every game and then at the 18 minute mark Jacobson checks in after Cam got his second foul?

I like Cam's game but he earned the minutes he got. Both off and on the court.
 

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Why do you have to bully everyone with your snarky comments?

I didn't downvote any of his posts and was asking him questions. I guess I should have flew off the handle and told him to GFY.
 

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I loved the energy Lard brought and the way he played. I wish him the best for the future, and am glad he chose to start his college experience here. He has so much potential and I hope that he lives up to that potential some day.

Unreal that some of you guys are still convinced Jacobson is a good Big 12 post defender. Absolutely blows my mind, hmm, can't figure out why he got benched in the second half against OSU.

Now this is your opinion. Everyone enjoys seeing the ball swatted into the seats, but Jacobson's defense and Lard's were completely different styles. Jacobson since he isn't as athletic tries more to deny entry passes, and for the most part it worked (which is why offenses got less shots against him generally), but this also put him in a difficult position if his man did get the ball and a difficult position to block out for a rebound. Lard relied on athletic abilities to get by and was better at contesting shots, but was constantly out of position when over committing on help defense or out of a pick and roll.

I am of the opinion that it is better to deny the high percentage shot in the first place than try to block it. As for the OSU game Cam did have a good game and his athleticism and strength is why. Wesson is a beast and Jacobson was getting man handled, and the refs pretty much swallowed their whistles which all points to Lard having a better game.
 

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Why are “good fans” lol even pretending lard Transferring has everything to do with his suspensions. The better player watched a backup start all year with no legitimate reason why.. all the egg heads will say but cam fouled a bunch.. well cam played defense and contested shots while Jacobson jumped out of the way to ensure he stays on the floor. Lard wasn’t going to waste another year sitting behind a lesser player. good move on his part because prohms fascination with giving the opposing teams the upper hand by starting Jacobson is set in stone.
Why do people think Lard is so good? He had more personal fouls this season (76) than rebounds (66) or field goals (59).Yes, Lard has some raw talent but he noticeably regressed from last season and seems to not be focused when on the floor. I thought Jacobsen appeared to be the more reliable player last year. He is certainly limited physically but he was solid.

Sometimes talented players fail to live up to their physical potential due to mental and behavioral limitations. Lard seems to be one who falls into that category.
 
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