Hesco barrier levee breaks-Downtown Davenport flooded

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So historically the river has been at this level or close over the years. Where we blaming global warming in 1965? Its not like this is an all time high that has never been seen before.

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One unique thing about the Mississippi this year is that it has been over flood stage for almost 45 days. So while yes, we have seen flooding before, it is rarely this prolonged. Dubuque, for example, has had two crests in the last month that will both fall in the top 5 of all time.

Climate change, by definition, is happening. It cannot be denied. The causes of the climate change can be debated until you're blue in the face.
 

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Yes, it is. The climate is literally changing in front of our faces. Are you trying to say that 10" rains are normal and don't contribute significantly to flooding?

We went form 1993 to about 2008 without having many significant floods. Since 2008, it's pretty much annual that someplace within 500 miles of Des Moines gets absolutely ****** by flooding.

That DSM flash flood where the Kottman died was when I was like, okay wtf is going on here?
 

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Yes, lets definitely not discuss one of the contributors to events like this when discussing it.

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Maybe it isn't anymore, but climate change used to be on the no-no list for threads outside the cave because it always became a fight and ruined threads just like it has ruined this one.
 
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I'm typically (modern day) left leaning on stuff but only thought in climate change is even if it's not human caused, there's not justification for openly polluting water and air.

As a moderate I’m totally with you. Is the climate changing? Absolutely - always has. Is human activity making climate change worse? Not convinced, but I’m much more open to the conversation than I was even 5 years ago. That being said, I’m still all about green practices for practical reasons - I like clean air and water, and we have only so much resources like iron and other metals that recycling them is just a good idea. And I bought a hybrid vehicle a month ago for the sole reason that I like having a midsize car that gets 40-45 mpg, which means I don’t even burn 20 gallons of gas in a month. That’s big time savings, especially when I’m convinced gas prices are going to skyrocket sometime in the near future.
 

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Add on the fact that cities like Davenport and CR can't get federal funding due to the Army Corps rankings of necessity that take population and what not into account.

That being said...I am not a flood protections type of guy. All it does is cause more problems down stream.

There are billions of dollars of Congressionally authorized Corps projects that Congress has never appropriated funds to. It's a huge backlog, think it's about $38B, and Congress gives the Corps approximately $2B maximum in construction funds each year. Authorizations are easypeasy for Congress because it's just a permission slip. Appropriations, providing the cash American is much much harder. Like telling your kid "Yes, you can go buy some candy" but than not giving them any money to make the purchase. Than telling them they can also buy a new video game and a bike and new ball glove but again providing no money. Or giving them $40 and saying they can only spend it on the bike when $40 would be enough for the glove today. So, the kid can buy increments of the bike, maybe the front and rear tires and then they can hope you give them enough next year to buy the frame. o_O

The Corps tried to add some priorities to the backlog like suggested funding priorities for projects with higher benefit/cost ratios. Projects with low B/C's won't even make the Corps budget request. Of course, it's just a request and Congress is still mostly political so they fund their pet projects.

Gets worse when Congress gets involved in operating projects. Congressional interference and conflicting state interests have turned the Missouri River basin reservoir operations into a complete flusterfuck. Hands down worst job in the Corps of Engineers is the hydraulic engineers in Omaha District trying to operate those reservoirs.
 

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So historically the river has been at this level or close over the years. Where we blaming global warming in 1965? Its not like this is an all time high that has never been seen before.

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Yes these levels have happened before...yes it has flooded before. But there's a reason that these are called 500 year or 100 year floods...because statistically that's how often they have historically happened. Until recently. Now they're occuring every decade.

Just look at that table you provided...Do you notice a trend since the 90s?????? You're making straw man arguments...the issue isn't that this never happens...the issue is, it's happening much more frequently.

1868 - 24 years til next
1892 - 73 years til next
1965 - 28 years til next
1993 - 4 years
1997 - 4 years
2001 - 7 years
2008 - 3 years
2011 - 3 years
2014 - 5 years
2019

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One unique thing about the Mississippi this year is that it has been over flood stage for almost 45 days. So while yes, we have seen flooding before, it is rarely this prolonged. Dubuque, for example, has had two crests in the last month that will both fall in the top 5 of all time.

Climate change, by definition, is happening. It cannot be denied. The causes of the climate change can be debated until you're blue in the face.

When was the last time the Mississippi was at normal levels for any time of year?

I drive through Dubuque fairly often and can't recall when it didn't seem high.
 

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As a moderate I’m totally with you. Is the climate changing? Absolutely - always has. Is human activity making climate change worse? Not convinced, but I’m much more open to the conversation than I was even 5 years ago. That being said, I’m still all about green practices for practical reasons - I like clean air and water, and we have only so much resources like iron and other metals that recycling them is just a good idea. And I bought a hybrid vehicle a month ago for the sole reason that I like having a midsize car that gets 40-45 mpg, which means I don’t even burn 20 gallons of gas in a month. That’s big time savings, especially when I’m convinced gas prices are going to skyrocket sometime in the near future.

Yeah to say point blank that humans have caused every ounce of it is debatable but when you pollute things like streams, the chemicals create a rise in temperature which can screw up an ecosystem.

It's weird when people are NOT into things like recycling.

Had a co-worker a few years ago who leans on the 'I'm just worried about 'murican values and what my child's future is going to look like' but when it came to caring about preserving nature it was 'I'm not going to be here so who cares?'.
 

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Totally selfish here. How's the Radisson?

I've got a room there for the McCartney concert in Moline next month. Rooms are scarce and want to move now if need be....
 

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Yes these levels have happened before...yes it has flooded before. But there's a reason that these are called 500 year or 100 year floods...because statistically that's how often they have historically happened. Until recently. Now they're occuring every decade.

Just look at that table you provided...Do you notice a trend since the 90s?????? You're making straw man arguments...the issue isn't that this never happens...the issue is, it's happening much more frequently.

1868 - 24 years til next
1892 - 73 years til next
1965 - 28 years til next
1993 - 4 years
1997 - 4 years
2001 - 7 years
2008 - 3 years
2011 - 3 years
2014 - 5 years
2019

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It's impossible to make a very accurate 500 year statistical level when you barely have 100 years of data. Get back to me when you have about 50 good 500 year samples of data.

Then you can throw in other complicating variables, such as development upstream, levy changes, drainage tile, and probably some others.
 

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Totally selfish here. How's the Radisson?

I've got a room there for the McCartney concert in Moline next month. Rooms are scarce and want to move now if need be....
As of right now 2nd St, which is the front entrance to the Radison, is closed from Division St to Iowa St. I would give the hotel a call to see if they have alternate routes to get there.
 
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Not to drive things off topic, at least any further than they already are, but there are significant portions of the BIBLE that have been proven accurate by science, Roman Records, archeology, etc.

The earth is only 6000 years old how could humans have ruined it already?
 

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