Chaundee Brown Final 4 List
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Agree completely. I'm actually guessing we'd be in the tourney if we get Brown and everybody is eligible. I'd take first four next year and be a happy camper.
dont bother askin in this thread
its not about chaundee brown anymore because ppl like to go off the deep end.
Read his post! He said Brown wouldn’t make a NIT bubble team a NCAA bubble team. That’s barely any games!
Brown could make a big difference, and undoubtedly would have a great likelihood to make the difference between 17/18 wins (NIT bubble) and 21/22 wins.
Dose of reality is that this team was going to be a bubble team at best regardless of who they picked up in the transfer market unless they got a couple of elite transfers. Fans expectations should be geared towards how this team progresses through the season and if they begin to show some kind of cohesion and execution of the game plan. Also the development of the freshman will be key as well. If this team exhibits those traits then there will hopefully be momentum for the team that can make the leap to the the tournament in 2021. If those signs aren't there and the game play is the same as last season then Prohm is done.
The NCAA tournament that happens to be in the year 2021? Or are you saying we will have to wait until the 2021-2022 season before you believe we will make the tournament? Just wondering
Do you think Shayok has the legacy he has if he has this roster to play with as opposed to Wigginton, THT, Hali? NWB?
I am NOT questioning Shayoks talent/abilities, dudes a hell of a player AND deserves his NBA spot. But when you have NBA talent around you, it opens you up and allows you to have more success.
Brown does not have NBA talent around him and game planning against this team will be extremely easy UNLESS we add 2-3 Brown like players.
Brown is an elite transfer. Harris a good one.
A big reason why last season was so bad and earned Prohm valid criticism, is the same reason why next year should be better, significantly so if adding Brown, Harris. Add another good one, and it’s a legitimately good team.
We played badly last year. That doesn’t mean all of our returning players are inherently bad. If they were, we wouldn’t be so harsh on Prohm’s coaching. It doesn’t mean a Prohm can’t do better with a rerun of that core and a couple important additions. Brown and Harris are that.
Plus the freshman. In general, normal distribution says one will surprise positively, one negatively, and a couple will be around expected (talented but not always playing well). We saw this with the 2018 class. That results in adding two or three Big 12 rotation worthy guys imo, with one being starter worthy. And then there’s Johnson.
The culture and mindset needed to change, and that’s hard to do, but next year’s team will be a lot different in terms of assets. Players improve, particularly when getting help from new teammates.
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Are you moving the bar again? Yes, I think Shayok could have the legacy of making a team like this one a NCAA bubble team, which was your first post. I think he could do even better than bubble!
Even with a very bad February for the team, Shayok took a team coming off a bad year, minus two of their best players in DJ and Young, plus Lard and Wigginton for 1/3 of the season, and had them ranked and a 6th seed!
With the benefit of avoiding the turmoil caused by players coming back mid year, and Brown could easily do something similar to .500 in conference play. Haliburton and THT’s impact as new starters from the prior year can be matched by the pool of Harris, Johnson, freshmen, and potentially two more additions. Haliburton and THT didn’t have outlier or irreplaceable performances. They were outlier draft prospects, if you call a late second round pick an outlier lol.
18 wins in the Big 12 probably gets you in the NCAA. Oklahoma and Baylor were 9 seeds with 19 wins in the last NCAA tourney.
plz go tag him on social media with this edit
ISU was 10-13 up to the point TH was hurt, went 2-7 down the stretch. Looking at the schedule, flip the FAMU, WVU, and OSU x2 wins if TH was healthy. The rest of the games were blowouts, and those aren't being flipped with TH. So optimistically a fully healthy TH makes last years team 16-16. Maybe they don't flip one of those games and they would be 15-17.
So, on the surface I think it's easy to think that becoming a bubble team after this year's performance while losing a lottery pick is crazy talk, but maybe it's not.
Maybe a better way to look at it is if you exchange Haliburton, MJ, Nixon, Griffin, Lewis and Grill with Harris, Brown, Johnson, Foster and Blackwell (or your other Fr. of choice), do you think the team is better, and if so, how much?
Lots of ifs, but get Brown, have solid improvements from returning guys, and maybe most importantly have the team fit into roles well, and this team could surprise.
Then again, I'm usually too optimistic.
Lol sure.
But if you really want to nitpick, a win improvement isn’t even needed to go from the bubble to bubble. 18 wins can get you in the tournament or have you missing the NIT.
All of which points to thinking Brown can’t improve our win count enough is dumb.
It’s more likely next year with Brown (plus Harris and two other potential newcomers) is a very good team than it is they’re below the bubble.
I'll leave that to other bold souls (permission hereby granted).
No college kid needs a person twice their age tagging them on social media, unless it's family or a coach wishing them well.
My argument this whole time has been he’s good, I don’t foresee him being a program changer like some seem to be making him out to be. There’s no bar to be moved. With the current roster, I see us being a 9-12 win team and with Browns addition, becoming a 12-15 win team.
Where you and I are different
- I am not including Harris on the roster until he gets his waiver
- I am not banking on at least 2 freshmen to come in and have a huge impact as freshmen
- I am not predicting everyone on the roster has huge strides in development, as Haliburton is probably the only player Prohms coached at Iowa State who from year 1 to year 2 became a noticeably better player.
That's better than always being pessimistic. Sports are supposed to bring enjoyment. I will always be optimistic heading into a season, no matter how bad we were the year before. Otherwise, what's the point in being a fan?
