Pollard announces plan for 25,000 fans at season opener

[HFCS]

Asking an honest question here.. is there are huge difference between having 25,000 fans and 15,000 fans as far as mitigating the virus goes? If everyone is wearing a mask (as required and failure to do so will be grounds for removal), how much of an effect will that extra 10,000 fans have?

Just looking at the #s I'd imagine ND is significantly more spaced out with 16k in normally 80k seats as opposed to ISU with 25k in normal 60k.

In many of these college stadiums the typical bleacher seating spacing is much more intimate than sharing a twin size bed with someone.

 

[jsb]

Asking an honest question here.. is there are huge difference between having 25,000 fans and 15,000 fans as far as mitigating the virus goes? If everyone is wearing a mask (as required and failure to do so will be grounds for removal), how much of an effect will that extra 10,000 fans have?

not sure. And I’m not saying that Jamie’s decision is wrong but I am saying he’s set us up to be criticized for it. And we don’t have the high ground to say that criticism is unwarranted.

 

[Pseudonym]

The little evidence we have says the virus is extremely unlikely to be very transmissible outdoors. If people wear masks, the odds of getting this in the stadium are likely to be damn near zero. That is what the science we have tells us right now. but i think everything covid is pure political theater at this point.

And I'm somebody that thinks there are very low odds we come even remotely close to finishing a season, ftr.

 

[Land Grant]

The little evidence we have says the virus is extremely unlikely to be very transmissible outdoors. If people wear masks, the odds of getting this in the stadium are likely to be damn near zero. That is what the science we have tells us right now. but i think everything covid is pure political theater at this point.

And I'm somebody that thinks there are very low odds we come even remotely close to finishing a season, ftr.

I am not aware of this evidence about outdoor tranmissability, especially in large crowd settings. Please enlighten us with sources. Actual instances of virus spread tell us that outdoor beach and pool parties are not immune. I imagine if evidence supported your statement, there would be fans in MLB stadiums. But I'll wait for your sources to be sure.

 

[NorthCyd]

I am not aware of this evidence about outdoor tranmissability, especially in large crowd settings. Please enlighten us with sources. Actual instances of virus spread tell us that outdoor beach and pool parties are not immune. I imagine if evidence supported your statement, there would be fans in MLB stadiums. But I'll wait for your sources to be sure.

I posted a Time article in this thread last night. That article links research that finds the virus is almost 20 times more transmissable indoors vs outdoors, and breaks down the "why" very well.

 

[Rabbuk]

I posted a Time article in this thread last night. That article links research that finds the virus is almost 20 times more transmissable indoors vs outdoors, and breaks down the "why" very well.

Does that article account for standing by strangers for 4 hours?

 

[Land Grant]

I posted a Time article in this thread last night. That article links research that finds the virus is almost 20 times more transmissable indoors vs outdoors, and breaks down the "why" very well.

Less transmissible, sure. "Extremely unlikely" as the poster contends? That's hyperbole. Plus, the low transmissability is based on full distancing and masks. Stadiums have choke points, shared contact surfaces, and above all undisciplined crowds. All this in THE national Covid hot spot.

 

[BigTurk]

I can't see ISU going through with this. The vibe on campus with this decision (among faculty and staff) isn't good. If Ames CSD is now going fully online why is ISU allowing 25,000 into a stadium? To be honest, I agree with them. I would feel better with 10,000-15,000 but that is my opinion.

 

[cycfan1]

I am not aware of this evidence about outdoor tranmissability, especially in large crowd settings. Please enlighten us with sources. Actual instances of virus spread tell us that outdoor beach and pool parties are not immune. I imagine if evidence supported your statement, there would be fans in MLB stadiums. But I'll wait for your sources to be sure.

What Minnesota’s Protests Are Revealing About Covid-19 Spread

After George Floyd’s killing, experts warned that demonstrations could set off new waves of infections. But early testing in Minneapolis tells another story.

www.wired.com

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Regardless of the outcome we know that this has put our game and our team on the map! We are definitely no longer ignored. Thanks Jamie!

 

[NorthCyd]

What Minnesota’s Protests Are Revealing About Covid-19 Spread

After George Floyd’s killing, experts warned that demonstrations could set off new waves of infections. But early testing in Minneapolis tells another story.

www.wired.com

Here is the Time article, which also brings up protests along with a lot of other stuff. I'm done debating this. I'm not particularly concerned about outdoor events, but I could be wrong. People are going to believe what fits their preferred narrative and can probably find expert opinions to suit that belief somewhere. Thats why I haven't said much of anything on covid for the last few months. Its pointless to discuss, but here I went and fell back in to it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/?amp=true

 

[Neptune78]

The DSM Rag being a rag

The last thing Iowans should do: Attend an Iowa State football game with 25,000 fans

The White House advises Iowans to limit gatherings to 10 people or fewer. Translation: Don't attend the ISU football game with 25,000 people.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Does this mean the Rag will not risk Randy to cover the game?

 

[Land Grant]

Here is the Time article, which also brings up protests along with a lot of other stuff. I'm done debating this. I'm not particularly concerned about outdoor events, but I could be wrong. People are going to believe what fits their preferred narrative and can probably find expert opinions to suit that belief somewhere. Thats why I haven't said much of anything on covid for the last few months. Its pointless to discuss, but here I went and fell back in to it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/?amp=true

Thanks for the source. Agree that message board debates are almost always useless, but here we all are anyway...

 

[Cyclonefan710]

So, for reference, the capacity for the rest of the league at this point:

Iowa State 40.65%
Baylor 25%
KSU- 25%
OU- 25%
OSU- 25%
Texas 25%
TCU- 25%
Texas Tech 25%
Kansas- 0%
WVU- 0%

We're a clear outlier here. Which seems like an odd position to be taking with how bad the situation is in iowa\ames right now, and with schools and bars closed.

I freaking love it. Pollard is always ahead of the curve. No panicking and just blindly following the pack to avoid scrutiny like most of these other institutions. It’s awesome that we have leaders that are competent in making their own decisions.

 

[flycy]

Just 20 positives in Story yesterday, and it looks like about 72 or 92 today (I can't tell if it is a 2 day total as the Register says Mon to Tues 92.) Adding the antigen numbers accounted for 1000 of the 2663 reported state wide last Thurs-Fri.It looks like this "fastest in the country" thing is just a result of a change in reporting procedures. It was always suspicious the Ames and Iowa City made the top 4.

Iowa reports 12 COVID-19 deaths, 2,663 coronavirus cases as antigen test results are added

Iowa reported its first three COVID-19 cases on March 8. The state's first death was reported March 24.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Iowa was the media whipping boy in about May when it was the state with the fastest increase for about a week. Next week somewhere else will be "grim story" and Iowa will be forgotten.

Students spreading this is honestly your best group. Very healthy with a incredibly small chance of serious consequences. Hospitalizations in Iowa are steady at around 300. I think the reactions in Ames have been a knee jerk response to skewed data. We'll know in a week where the data goes.

 

[Pseudonym]

Less transmissible, sure. "Extremely unlikely" as the poster contends? That's hyperbole. Plus, the low transmissability is based on full distancing and masks. Stadiums have choke points, shared contact surfaces, and above all undisciplined crowds. All this in THE national Covid hot spot.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf

We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases(which were two people face to face who spoke for hours).

Closed environments facilitate secondary transmission of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Objective To identify common features of cases with novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) so as to better understand what factors promote secondary transmission including superspreading events. Methods A total of 110 cases were examined among eleven clusters and sporadic cases, and investigated...

www.medrxiv.org

Also, transmission from fomite contamination is also a relatively small risk RE your shared contract surfaces point above.

 

[BCClone]

Just 20 positives in Story yesterday, and it looks like about 72 or 92 today (I can't tell if it is a 2 day total as the Register says Mon to Tues 92.) Adding the antigen numbers accounted for 1000 of the 2663 reported state wide last Thurs-Fri.It looks like this "fastest in the country" thing is just a result of a change in reporting procedures. It was always suspicious the Ames and Iowa City made the top 4.

Iowa reports 12 COVID-19 deaths, 2,663 coronavirus cases as antigen test results are added

Iowa reported its first three COVID-19 cases on March 8. The state's first death was reported March 24.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Iowa was the media whipping boy in about May when it was the state with the fastest increase for about a week. Next week somewhere else will be "grim story" and Iowa will be forgotten.

Students spreading this is honestly your best group. Very healthy with a incredibly small chance of serious consequences. Hospitalizations in Iowa are steady at around 300. I think the reactions in Ames have been a knee jerk response to skewed data. We'll know in a week where the data goes.

Site shows 52 for story county today.

 

[Pseudonym]

I don't know if this has been addressed, but the south end zone indoor area, suites and club sections should most definitely not be open to the public.

I've read enough about this to know if I was able to go, I'd also do my best to stay out of the bathrooms. Feces has extremely high COVID loads when tested, when combined in a closed bathroom and the fecal matter is aerosolized(as it is in every bathroom), my sense is they will find bathrooms to be a primary contamination vector.

 

[carvers4math]

I don't know if this has been addressed, but the south end zone indoor area, suites and club sections should most definitely not be open to the public.

I've read enough about this to know if I was able to go, I'd also do my best to stay out of the bathrooms. Feces has extremely high COVID loads when tested, when combined in a closed bathroom and the fecal matter is aerosolized(as it is in every bathroom), my sense is they will find bathrooms to be a primary contamination vector.

The bathrooms are definitely an area of concern. At least there should be less people so hopefully not extended time in line next to people.

The concourse restrooms added by the south end zone are not conducive to thorough hand washing. The water temperature is never right, several early games it has been scalding hot.

 

[flycy]

I don't know if this has been addressed, but the south end zone indoor area, suites and club sections should most definitely not be open to the public.

I've read enough about this to know if I was able to go, I'd also do my best to stay out of the bathrooms. Feces has extremely high COVID loads when tested, when combined in a closed bathroom and the fecal matter is aerosolized(as it is in every bathroom), my sense is they will find bathrooms to be a primary contamination vector.

Do your part people, dump at home.

This is also how they do the sewage studies of infection rates.