*** Official IOWA STATE vs #3 Iowa Game(Day) Thread ***

BryceC

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Well we should beat the two layups in Jackson State and Chicago State. If we lose either one of those then JP should fire his ass at the end of the game. So that’s three.
They will beat KSU both home and away. They are more garbage then us. We should beat TCU at home and since Oklahoma still can’t play defense we might win one of those games. Give me one or two upsets beyond that and I think 6-7 wins in the conference is the ceiling. I would have the over/under at 4.5 wins. So probably 8-10 wins this year which was about my expectation after the first two contests.

That’s the absolute best case scenario. IMO we get swept by the top 6. Split with the bottom 4. We’ll see of course.
 

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Honestly I expected us to look worse tonight. I realize Iowa could have named the score, but I think we have some pieces.

We need some 3 and D players IMO.

But I think Harris, Bolton, Johnson, JCL, and Foster starting lineup is something you can work with. I really wish we had Tre and Hinson.... that would help a lot. Possibly two starters right there.

But I thought Iowa would blow us out from the tip.... and we had the lead with 4 mins left in the first half. That itself was a victory for this team IMO.
 

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Went about as I expected, EIU has a good team with a ton of experience. Texting a buddy of mine that is an EIU fan, we counted 4 red shirt players on the floor for Iowa, plus Marbles kids took a prep season after high school. EIU has to be on the oldest and most experienced teams playing college basketball.

It really helps that Mad Fran gets good players, that are not great and therefore few leave early. He has recruited a bunch of Iowa kids or shooters from out of state, red shirts them, lets them grow and now look at them. He also hit the Lottery with Garza, I never thought he would be as good as he has turned out to be. Sorry thing, the kid may end up as player of the year, and will not even be drafted.

Prohm has this season to figure it out, we still get killed on dribble drive to the hoop, no presents in the middle to alter a shot, poor switching on man to man and we give up too many easy baskets and turnovers.
How about we wuss it a little and play a little zone from time to time. Seems to work for EIU.
 

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Garza is ridiculous and really the only reason it was almost a 30 pt win vs 15-20.
 

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We shot 40% from 3 and lost by 28. Goodness. I thought not being able to shoot was our problem these last 2 years. garza dropped 34 in 17 minutes of play. Unreal.
 
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Eh the one thing I will say is the whole NBA-material thing is a tad overplayed these days. Kentucky has had success for sure, but they've also really underachieved for the most part given their recruits and NBA talent. With teams losing players early to the NBA, if you aren't a blue blood, you really need to have good to great college players (Garza is a prime example here) that stick around so you have a senior-laden team. We had those in Niang, Thomas, Ejim, Naz etc. Now some of that crew ended up getting NBA contracts, which is the perfect storm for recruiting pitches AND seeing success while they are in school. THT for a year, a guy like Lindell leaving early (which made zero sense) and Haliburton leaving early are big deals to show we can get players to the NBA. But we never got anywhere near their biggest potential for Iowa State basketball while they were here because they left so early/didn't have cohesive teams.

So we should recruit a bunch of 3 star kids that have no chance of ever leaving early for the NBA then? I’ll pass on that strategy.

But I’ve always said we need to recruit shooters though. Iowa does have lots of shooters. Dubar and Blackwell can’t shoot. Not sure about Walker?
 

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Agree with a lot of posters....there are pieces here to make a decent team. Harris can play, Bolton can play, Lands is solid....Foster will be good but Steve HAS to get him minutes and baptize him by fire. That‘s the only way.

There are pieces here if we had somebody that could coach, but we don’t.
 

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Agree with a lot of posters....there are pieces here to make a decent team. Harris can play, Bolton can play, Lands is solid....Foster will be good but Steve HAS to get him minutes and baptize him by fire. That‘s the only way.

There are pieces here if we had somebody that could coach, but we don’t.
This chunk of marble could be the Venus de Milo but we'll be lucky if we get functional countertops.
 

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So we should recruit a bunch of 3 star kids that have no chance of ever leaving early for the NBA then? I’ll pass on that strategy.

But I’ve always said we need to recruit shooters though. Iowa does have lots of shooters. Dubar and Blackwell can’t shoot. Not sure about Walker?

What good does those 4 star kids do if they play for a year and then leave? We have 7 new players this year, had the same thing last year. Sorry but I would love for ISU to have a kid like the Fredrick kid that redshirts and then plays for 4 years for ISU, over a player like Tucker that was a one and done and is now playing in the NBA. Which one helps his school more, Fredricks 4 years at EIU or Tuckers 1?
 

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What good does those 4 star kids do if they play for a year and then leave? We have 7 new players this year, had the same thing last year. Sorry but I would love for ISU to have a kid like the Fredrick kid that redshirts and then plays for 4 years for ISU, over a player like Tucker that was a one and done and is now playing in the NBA. Which one helps his school more, Fredricks 4 years at EIU or Tuckers 1?
And if Garza isn't around?
 

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The guards got after people tonight. That was good. However, same old story on defense. If your man gets by you, NO ONE WILL challenge at the hoop. Getting fouls keeps the stars off the court.

Conditt DOES see the writing on the locker room wall, doesn't he ?