Just a brief summary of Prohm's talent v results

[ojoe2317]

I know there are a lot of threads piling on Prohm right now, maybe deserved, maybe not. The one thing I am realizing is that there has been a LOT of NBA players on ISU teams under Prohm.

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2015-2016 roster with NBA experience now: Morris, Niang, Nadler, Matt Thomas, Burton, Naz
Result: 10-8 in Big 12, Sweet 16, lose to Virginia

2016-2017 roster with NBA experience now: Morris, Thomas, Burton, Naz
Result: 12-6 in Big 12, Second round, lose to Purdue

2017-2018 roster with NBA experience now: None (Shayok was out due to transfer)
Result: 4-14 in Big 12

2018-2019 roster with NBA experience now: Shayok, Horton-Tucker, Halliburton
Result: 9-9 in Big 12, Lost NCAA first round to Ohio State

2019-2020 roster with NBA experience now: Halliburton
Result: 5-13 in Big 12
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Obviously making 3 tournaments in 5 years is nothing to sneeze at, and winning two Big 12 tournaments in 5 years is also awesome. My point is only that some of these teams were kinda loaded with NBA talent. Not sure how many times ISU has had 7 NBA level players on a team. Many other players from these years are also playing professionally oversees as well.

Just food for thought.

 

[Drew0311]

I think what frustrates me the most is never having a real team. Just a bunch of players trying to make the NBA. Hopefully that is starting to change a little

 

[Aclone]

Hmm. Any particular reason you didn’t include Big XII Championships?

 

[Gunnerclone]

I think the issue outside of the guys he inherited is that Prohms NBA guys have been “one and done” in one way or another, and in TH’s case 1 1/3 and done. THT doesn’t blow like he did and TH isn’t injured last year and that season probably looks a whole lot different.

I wouldn’t care that much if Prohm was gone tomorrow, but fans are going to have to get used to an ups and downs type of program instead of the steady type of program. High highs and low lows. That’s probably where CBB has been trending for awhile anyway outside of the blue bloods.

So what I’m saying is decent programs outside of that blue blood sphere are going to pop up big for a window and then fall back outside of the tourney for a window. Just have to hope the bad windows are short and not as frequent as everyone else’s in the league. It’s kind of like the NBA with big market vs mid and small market teams due to the transfer situation in CBB.

 

[Clonefan32]

Hmm. Any particular reason you didn’t include Big XII Championships?

Because Big 12 Tournament Championships are a glorified exhibition that we value more than any other team in the league.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

 

[jsb]

I think the issue outside of the guys he inherited is that Prohms NBA guys have been “one and done” in one way or another, and in TH’s case 1 1/3 and done. THT doesn’t blow like he did and TH isn’t injured last year and that season probably looks a whole lot different.

I wouldn’t care that much if Prohm was gone tomorrow, but fans are going to have to get used to an ups and downs type of program instead of the steady type of program. High highs and low lows. That’s probably where CBB has been trending for awhile anyway outside of the blue bloods.

So what I’m saying is decent programs outside of that blue blood sphere are going to pop up big for a window and then fall back outside of the tourney for a window. Just have to hope the bad windows are short and not as frequent as it everyone else’s in the league. It’s kind of like the NBA with big market vs mid and small market teams due to the transfer situation in CBB.

This comes across as an excuse, and I truly don’t mean it that way, but prohm never thought tyrese would be a 2 and done. That does set things back.

 

[Clonefan32]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

I totally get what you are saying-- that the regurgitation of the same arguments is pointless and Prohm isn't going anywhere. At the same time, this is a message board, and pointless regurgitation is the name-of-the-game.

 

[awd4cy]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

It's a Fred problem?

 

[CycloneErik]

I think this board is unbearable during basketball season. Prohm isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You all who want to make a new thread every time you get frustrated are just going to have to deal with it. This **** situation is as much a Jamie and Fred problem as a Steve problem. Controversial, I know.

No, it's a Steve problem. Fred's been gone a long time. Thanks for rolling out that tired old take, though.

 

[awd4cy]

No, it's a Steve problem. Fred's been gone a long time. Thanks for rolling out that tired old take, though.

Who knew after 6 years of coaching, it's still the old coaches fault apparently?

 

[CycloneErik]

Who knew after 6 years of coaching, it's still the old coaches fault apparently?

I'm blaming Johnny.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Because Big 12 Tournament Championships are a glorified exhibition that we value more than any other team in the league.

It's tough to win any conference tournament, but we also have home court advantage against every team but Kansas.

 

[Cykobabble]

Hey Tim Floyd, please come out of retirement so you can teach this team how to play defense!!!

 

[Aclone]

Because Big 12 Tournament Championships are a glorified exhibition that we value more than any other team in the league.

Well, we’ve had one ignorant person raise their hand. Anyone elsewanba stand up on their chairs?

The tournament champ is the actual conference champion, the one that gets the automatic bid to the NCAA’s. Every conference gets their choice of the regular season or tourney winner was their official champion.

Guess which one the Big XII chose?
Sheesh. And there were people complaining in the football forum because we “only” finished alone atop the regular season standings.

 

[NWICY]

I'm blaming Johnny.

Nope. Johnny at least had the guys convinced to protect the home court.

 

[Rabbuk]

Can anyone explain to me why fred left the cupboard so bare. I need that.

 

[CycloneErik]

Nope. Johnny at least had the guys convinced to protect the home court.

Lynn Nance?

 

[awd4cy]

Well, we’ve had one ignorant person raise their hand. Anyone elsewanba stand up on their chairs?

The tournament champ is the actual conference champion, the one that gets the automatic bid to the NCAA’s. Every conference gets their choice of the regular season or tourney winner was their official champion.

Guess which one the Big XII chose?
Sheesh. And there were people complaining in the football forum because we “only” finished alone atop the regular season standings.

Regular season champ is much harder to attain and is the actual conference champ. One is a conference champ, the other is a conference tournament champ.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I wouldn’t care that much if Prohm was gone tomorrow, but fans are going to have to get used to an ups and downs type of program instead of the steady type of program. High highs and low lows. That’s probably where CBB has been trending for awhile anyway outside of the blue bloods.

So what I’m saying is decent programs outside of that blue blood sphere are going to pop up big for a window and then fall back outside of the tourney for a window. Just have to hope the bad windows are short and not as frequent as everyone else’s in the league. It’s kind of like the NBA with big market vs mid and small market teams due to the transfer situation in CBB.

We had left Mad Fran for dead/pointed and laughed at his disaster of a program 2-3 years ago.

Now... he has a legitimate Big Ten and even national title contender.

Stuff can change so fast in basketball.

I agree with you our floor of sustained success, Prohm or not, is not as high as some people think. Even the accomplishments of the Orr, 90s, and Hoiberg eras (outside of the Fizer/Tinsley year) were modest.