Just a brief summary of Prohm's talent v results
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Seems like he has recruited at both ends of the spectrum - guys good enough to leave early and guys who completely fail to perform. The four year, solid/really good college players that provide continuity has been missing. With attrition from early departures and busts, end up with so many short term transfer guys we struggle w an identity. I also don't think he is a good in game coach at all, but thats a separate issue. Am hoping Foster, Hunter, etc are crazy good, future NBA guys but not good enough to leave early
I've pushed back on those who have coronated Fred as the best coach EVER - him leaving when he did has granted him such exalted status to some that nothing negative ever happened in what we'd almost all agree was an outstanding tenure. We'll never know to what heights Fred MAY have taken the program...And, I agreed with most of Ribs' post, but, at this stage, Prohm has made his bed, and, we're all lying in it... and it doesn't look like we're getting out - same bed as last year but with better talent: the O doesn't move the ball, the D & rebounding is mostly/entirely lacking, and there's no accountability for getting those habits to change. Not a recipe for success.
Probably can't argue with that. Looking at the B12 schedule that year, there are 2 maybe 3 games that were really disappointing, Other losses weren't so bad.
I think he gets some credit for what those guys did his second year, they all grew and were better players that year from the year he got here. They certainly were a better more cohesive team than the year before.
I think when you bring in three guys that were slated to be here 3 years plus and they all leave early for the NBA, you are doing a good job of recruiting and developing. THT and Haliburton should be on this team. That completely changes your program when you lose guys like that. We lose sight that we aren't UK or KU, when ISU loses a player early it takes more than a recruiting cycle to catch up. I guess the question that bag on CSP for that need to decide do they like having elite talent, or should we only go for guys that will be here for 4 years? That is what Jake Sullivan is arguing about on twitter that last week.
I look at what Scott Drew has done in Waco, and think CSP can do the same here. He got the benefit of inheriting a good team, but he also inherited a team that was extremely top heavy. He has had a couple swings and misses. Grill leaving was super disappointing to me. He has hit a couple of grandslams on the recruiting trail. I feel when we look at the landscape, including COVID you aren't going to be in a better position in 3 years getting rid of CSP now. He has talent on this team. He gets a chance to coach it for this year and next, then you can make a decision about him.
That said, I would guess if JP has anything to do with it, CSP is here. Provided he doesn't just **** the bed the next two years.
Also of note, the guys ISU has put into the NBA with the exception of TH, have all taken time to get their traction at that level. It isn't like we are talking about 5 lottery guys that we had on this team. We had good players that are NBA role players that have to grow into their roles at that level. And good for all of them doing that. Prohm has to get credit for helping them get there. He impacted in a small way at the very least.
Also, I don't think any of those guys have a bad word to say about the man.
This offense isn’t a ball movement offense, it’s a player movement offense (which I despise). Just wanted to let you know so you don’t get your hopes up thinking that is what Prohm is actually wanting to do. His transition offense is ****** too just wanted to throw that in.
CycloneErik
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We're aware. His first year here and there aren't worth counting. He didn't build those messes.
But enjoy the trolling.
THT should still be here year 3? He was a Top 40 recruit and started showing up on draft boards 5 games into his freshman season. Not to mention that was two years ago! We are making excuses for him because we don't have a guy on our roster that everyone knew was gone after about December 2018.
When they were recruited I don't think Prohm expected THT to be one and done and Haliburton to leave after his sophomore season. Losing those two plus Wigginton really hurt.
But as I mentioned before, he knew well in advance of them leaving they were gone. THT was out of here after Maui. I get the impression Wiggy told him he was gone after his sophomore season no matter what. TH was a lottery pick well in advance of the 2019-2020 season.
So while he maybe didn't foresee it when they were recruited, it became very quickly evidence these guys were NBA talents.
A buddy and i had a baseball analogy when it came to Prohms HS recruiting where he either hit a homerun or struck out swinging.
Prohm HS homeruns
THT
Haliburton
Wigginton
Lard (up for debate)
Prohm HS whiffs
Grill
Anderson
Leech
Griffin
Lewis
Long
Noskowiak
Carter
Ernst
I guess you could probably put Solomon Young as a "double"
Unfortunately I think if you did the same thing for transfers you'd see a similar, if not worse, ratio.
What BS. The only reason the tournament champions gets the automatic bid is so it "means something" (i.e. - sell tickets) so it's more than just an exhibition. The legitimate conference champion, in any league, is the regular season champ.
Homerun
Shayok
Bolton
NWB (does he count as a prohm recruit?)
Double
Bowie
Jacobson
Single
Nixon
Talley
Whiff
Kasongo
Brase
Beverly
Holden
TBD
Johnson
Harris
Hinson
JCL
I’d feel a lot better about CSP if the kids seemed to play hard and play together. Hustling is needed to play tough man to man defense. It shouldn’t be that hard.
When was the last time in an end of clock situation you didn’t see a fade away chucked up 3 after dribbling the clock down?
That’s the stuff that frustrates me. Effort is something you can control as a player even if you are a marginal one.
When was the last time in an end of clock situation you didn’t see a fade away chucked up 3 after dribbling the clock down?
That’s the stuff that frustrates me. Effort is something you can control as a player even if you are a marginal one.
