Places with higher populations are going to have more eye balls for those schools even if it's not intentional.
Kansas to Big 10?
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Places with higher populations are going to have more eye balls for those schools even if it's not intentional.
Football is the driver. But the question is does the B1G/PAC/ACC want to get to 16 because the SEC went to 16. The B1G already matched the SEC going to 14 once.
Then it’s does the B1G stick with their AAU status requirement. Then it’s do a few PAC schools want to abandon their rivals and travel more for games if invited by the B1G, or does the B1G go bigger than the SEC and add more schools? Or does the B1G just take Ku and ISU?
The PAC and B1G both have media contracts about to expire, and are likely looking at bigger deals even if they bring in “lower revenue” schools. The problem is when you try adding a lower revenue school AFTER the media contract is agreed on. Because obviously they have no reason to just up the payment then.
IMO you are half right. Maryland brings a lot of eyes and passionate sport fans. Rutgers not so much.
I would say most Big 12 teams bring more eyes and better athletic programs than Rutgers, Rutgers made sense for Big10 based on how cable network carriage rights are based and launch of Big10 Network.
Maryland maybe, definitely not Rutgers. I lived in Jersey City from 2000-2007 and I don’t think I met a real Rutgers fan. Even with Schiano they are so far down the sports pecking order in the NY metro that they are barely visible.
I find that hard to believe. There’s a decent correlation between attendance and how many people want to watch the team on TV. Network and time slot obviously have an effect as well.
The big 10 network got into New York because they were able to link it with the yes network.
the yes network = Yankee games.
No one cares about either of those schools on the east coast. NFL is king.
This has to be one of the greatest fallacies ever. Big 10 Network was always in New York. Which means pulling Rutgers was one of the greatest scams ever because virtually nobody in New York nor New Jersey cares about Rutgers.
I think you have the order of operations about right here, in terms of the decision making flowchart.
The optimistic side of me has been hearing things like "other conferences banding together against the SEC" and "JP leader of the NACDA" and this makes me think the following is possible:
Pac12 and B1G agree to an alliance to counterweight ESPN/SEC. As part of that, both go to 16 teams, providing a home for 6 of the Hateful8, which provides content, geography from sea to shining sea, and some godshonest solidarity with the Hateful 8.
This alliance would comprise just over half of the P5, and 70% of the AAU schools in P5, so you can really claim the COLLEGE and STUDENT-athlete high ground for marketing. You also have a good shot to bring the ACC (or most of it) into the fold at some point via an alliance in the future.
And in this, ISU would probably get put in the B1G with Kansas. You'd get some protected rivalry games with Okie St and KSt (now in the Pac12) which would be great. This is like absolute best case scenario for ISU, but I don't think its impossible.
Pac12 and B1G agree to an alliance to counterweight ESPN/SEC. As part of that, both go to 16 teams, providing a home for 6 of the Hateful8, which provides content, geography from sea to shining sea, and some godshonest solidarity with the Hateful 8.
This alliance would comprise just over half of the P5, and 70% of the AAU schools in P5, so you can really claim the COLLEGE and STUDENT-athlete high ground for marketing. You also have a good shot to bring the ACC (or most of it) into the fold at some point via an alliance in the future.
And in this, ISU would probably get put in the B1G with Kansas. You'd get some protected rivalry games with Okie St and KSt (now in the Pac12) which would be great. This is like absolute best case scenario for ISU, but I don't think its impossible.
Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10 because under the old system, adding new states into the BTN network was the most important thing. With each new state, the conference was allowed to charge more for the content for every home in the state or city. That is how horrible football teams like Rutgers and Maryland were able to bring in $50 million apiece into the coffers of BTN.
But that model is now changing, and those schools will become a drag on the conference if they do not start winning and drawing fans to their games, those same fans will pay to stream their games. The day of charging grandma because she lives in a state with a Big 10 team is coming to an end, and the league knows it, that is why they have moved more and more into the streaming part of the content. That is where the money is going to be made in the future.
That's just what Satan would say. Get thee hence ( or at least to Iowa City)!!
It might have been, but the genius of the system was once a conference team is located in your state or region, NJ brings in NY and Maryland brings in Washington DC, then you are allowed to charge the people more for the content. So instead of charging the people of say Texas a few cents for the monthly service for BTN, you get to charge them a couple of bucks a month. Lot of people in NY and DC and it does not matter if they ever watch a game, everyone pays into the system. Luckily that system is now changing because of streaming, and will continue to become more of a le carte system in the future.
Notre Dame is very popular back East. New York, Philly, and Boston are ND towns when it comes to college football. At least they were when I lived out there (15 years ago). Rutgers? Not so much.
I currently live on the East Coast right in the NYC area and let me tell you nobody gives a crap about Rutgers. I mean literally nobody. The East Coast (NE specifically) doesn't care about college sports. It's pro sports all day every day out here. They will latch on to a team that gets hot in the postseason or has a great flash in the pan season (UConn men's bball is one when they had Kemba and then a Napier few years later). Maryland has a pretty solid following although lost some once they left the ACC from what it appears. Rutgers was added for one reason only, so lucky them, but it had nothing to do with their athletic success, fan base, eyes that WILL watch them or anything like that. It was only so they could add millions of subscribers to the Big Ten via cable companies out here. If the Big Ten could get rid of them in the next decade they absolutely would.
I did find a poll that shows Rutgers has the most fans in NYC at 20%. It is a university with 50000 undergrads. Not really surprising.
knoji.com
10 Most Popular College Football Teams in New York City
The college football teams with the most fans living in the New York City area.
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If we continue down the road of streaming games, the B1G will no longer want Rutgers. I agree that college football on the east coast is an afterthought.
