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[jctisu]

I did find a poll that shows Rutgers has the most fans in NYC at 20%. It is a university with 50000 undergrads. Not really surprising.

10 Most Popular College Football Teams in New York City

The college football teams with the most fans living in the New York City area.

knoji.com

It's because it's the only team within two or more hours of NYC really. I guarantee many who were polled either:

A) Went to Rutgers and just say they are fans because they went to school there but guarantee a vast majority aren't watching them play/going to games/would pay a streaming service to watch them

OR

B) they are just New Yorkers who know that Rutgers is the D1 team near them and say, "Yeah I am a Rutgers fan", when they most likely just like college football on a medium level but aren't going to go out of their way to really latch on to a team because they went to a smaller college in the greater NYC metro.

When UConn is 4th on that list you know there's a problem. Even people who went to UConn don't care about UConn football. I am married to a die hard UConn alum and it's all basketball with that fanbase. But any UConn grad is just going to say UConn because it's where they went even if they never went to a game or are just a casual college football fan.

 

[deadeyededric]

It's because it's the only team within two or more hours of NYC really. I guarantee many who were polled either:

A) Went to Rutgers and just say they are fans because they went to school there but guarantee a vast majority aren't watching them play/going to games/would pay a streaming service to watch them

OR

B) they are just New Yorkers who know that Rutgers is the D1 team near them and say, "Yeah I am a Rutgers fan", when they most likely just like college football on a medium level but aren't going to go out of there way to really latch on to a team because they went to a smaller college in the greater NYC metro.

When UConn is 4th on that list you know there's a problem. Even people who went to UConn don't care about UConn football. I am married to a die hard UConn alum and it's all basketball with that fanbase. But any UConn grad is just going to say UConn because it's where they went even if they never went to a game or are just a casual college football fan.

Well yeah. That's why there are large pockets of fans anywhere is because the school is in the vicinity . I guarantee you the reason there are so many ISU fans in Des Moines is because ISU is 30 minutes away.

 

[jctisu]

Well yeah. That's why there are large pockets of fans anywhere is because the school is close by. I guarantee you the reason there are so many ISU fans in Des Moines is because ISU is 30 minutes away.

Yeah that's apples to oranges though. We are talking NYC itself is almost triple the entire population of Iowa. That's not even counting the greater NYC metro area, which is a whopping 18 million people! That's insane, so yeah Rutgers is going to garner plenty of "fans" but I am willing to bet having lived out here for over a decade now that the second you would ask them to pay a premium to watch them 80% are going to answer that with a big "No".

Midwest and the South are college places and just flat out care more about college sports. Now if you ask a NY or NJ sports fan and say you can watch the NY Giants streaming network where it's all Giants all day, including games, they will take out a second mortgage if they have to in order to subscribe to it.

 

[deadeyededric]

Yeah that's apples to oranges though. We are talking NYC itself is almost triple the entire population of Iowa. That's not even counting the greater NYC metro area, which is a whopping 18 million people! That's insane, so yeah Rutgers is going to garner plenty of "fans" but I am willing to bet having lived out here for over a decade now that the second you would ask them to pay a premium to watch them 80% are going to answer that no. Midwest and the South are college places and just flat out care more about college sports. Now if you ask a NY or NJ sports fan and say you can watch the NY Giants streaming network where it's all Giants all day, including games, they will take out a second mortgage if they have to in order to subscribe to it.

20% of New York City sports fans is still more than ISU. NYC has 8 million people alone. 20 million when you count the metro.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Yeah that's apples to oranges though. We are talking NYC itself is almost triple the entire population of Iowa. That's not even counting the greater NYC metro area, which is a whopping 18 million people! That's insane, so yeah Rutgers is going to garner plenty of "fans" but I am willing to bet having lived out here for over a decade now that the second you would ask them to pay a premium to watch them 80% are going to answer that with a big "No".

Midwest and the South are college places and just flat out care more about college sports. Now if you ask a NY or NJ sports fan and say you can watch the NY Giants streaming network where it's all Giants all day, including games, they will take out a second mortgage if they have to in order to subscribe to it.

I’m originally a Long Islander, and still have family that lives there. Visited at least once a year and more often than not multiple times a year. I would be stunned if half the people living there even knew what Rutgers was.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Well yeah. That's why there are large pockets of fans anywhere is because the school is close by. I guarantee you the reason there are so many ISU fans in Des Moines is because ISU is 30 minutes away.

But that wasn't always true, Ames has not moved closer to DM and for years DM was a EIU fanbase town. They had WHO on the radio, and every TV in the city started their sports broadcast with what EIU was doing and if we were lucky we were second.
ISU has made huge strides into Des Moines over the last decade, really true in the Northern and Western burbs, lots of young professional families out there and they for once are going to ISU games instead of EIU games.

10 years ago you hardly ever saw an ISU T shirt in Des Moines it was all Iowa, now its about 50/50 depending upon which part of the city you are in. Jami has done a great job of growing the fan base this past decade and we are about to take off, the only thing that can stop us if we get left out of a P4/5 conference going forward, and the EIU fanbase knows and fears that, and its one of the reasons that many are hoping we end up in the MW or AAC.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

20% of New York City sports fans is still more than ISU. NYC has 8 million people alone. 20 million when you count the metro.

With all those people you would think they could draw more fans?

Where did Rutgers rank in attendance nationally and in Big Ten in 2017? - nj.com

Rutgers’ latest loss comes with this jarring attendance number - nj.com

 

[deadeyededric]

But that wasn't always true, Ames has not moved closer to DM and for years DM was a EIU fanbase town. They had WHO on the radio, and every TV in the city started their sports broadcast with what EIU was doing and if we were lucky we were second.
ISU has made huge strides into Des Moines over the last decade, really true in the Northern and Western burbs, lots of young professional families out there and they for once are going to ISU games instead of EIU games.

10 years ago you hardly ever saw an ISU T shirt in Des Moines it was all Iowa, now its about 50/50 depending upon which part of the city you are in. Jami has done a great job of growing the fan base this past decade and we are about to take off, the only thing that can stop us if we get left out of a P4/5 conference going forward, and the EIU fanbase knows and fears that, and its one of the reasons that many are hoping we end up in the MW or AAC.

Either way. Even if the entire state of Iowa only cheered for 1 team it is a state that has 3 million people. That's essentially the population of Greater St. Louis.

 

[jctisu]

Here's Rutgers' attendance average since 2005, and a lot of those years were when they had arguably their best run ever with Schiano there from 2001-2011. Their stadium holds 52,454 with that much population around them and they can't even sell out. Rutgers even offers a lot of cheap deals to get people in there, but still can't fill it. Yes there is A LOT more to do in the NYC area but that's the point isn't it? In Iowa, Iowa and Iowa State athletics are pretty much the top billing for a lot of people when it comes to priorities and things to do.

• 2017: 39,749 (7 home games)
• 2016: 44,804 (7)
• 2015: 47,723 (7)
• 2014: 50,632 (6)
• 2013: 46,549 (7)
• 2012: 49,188 (6)
• 2011: 43,761 (7)
• 2010: 46,195 (7)
• 2009: 49,113 (7)
• 2008: 42,378 (7)
• 2007: 43,663 (8)
• 2006: 41,113 (6)
• 2005: 33,184 (6)

 

[deadeyededric]

With all those people you would think they could draw more fans?

Where did Rutgers rank in attendance nationally and in Big Ten in 2017? - nj.com

Nobody cares who draws more. Its about advertising revenues.

 

[deadeyededric]

Here's Rutgers' attendance average since 2005, and a lot of those years were when they had arguably their best run ever with Schiano there from 2001-2011. Their stadium holds 52,454 with that much population around them and they can't even sell out. Rutgers even offers a lot of cheap deals to get people in there, but still can't fill it. Yes there is A LOT more to do in the NYC area but that's the point isn't it? In Iowa, Iowa and Iowa State athletics are pretty much the top billing for a lot of people when it comes to priorities and things to do.

• 2017: 39,749 (7 home games)
• 2016: 44,804 (7)
• 2015: 47,723 (7)
• 2014: 50,632 (6)
• 2013: 46,549 (7)
• 2012: 49,188 (6)
• 2011: 43,761 (7)
• 2010: 46,195 (7)
• 2009: 49,113 (7)
• 2008: 42,378 (7)
• 2007: 43,663 (8)
• 2006: 41,113 (6)
• 2005: 33,184 (6)

Nobody cares. We sell out every game and we are still a low budget athletic department.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Nobody cares who draws more. Its about advertising revenues.

If people are not willing to go to a game, that says they are not watching it on TV. Therefore the revenues for advertising are going to be less, because fewer people are watching it.

 

[deadeyededric]

The conferences don't give 2 ***** how many people you are traveling to bowl games either. The bowl organizers might.

 

[jctisu]

Either way. Even if the entire state of Iowa only cheered for 1 team it is a state that has 3 million people. That's essentially the population of Greater St. Louis.

But it isn't about cheering for a team. Again, it's are you going to pay to watch that team either at the gate OR more importantly in the future pay for streaming and media to watch them? The 20% of New Yorkers that say they are Rutgers fans I guarantee you are casual at best and will NOT fork over subscription money to watch Rutgers when push comes to shove. They only get them now because the BTN is on the cable packages out here, but cable subs around the country continue to plummet. It will be a bit, but there will come a time with current projections that Rutgers is just dead weight because so many have cut the cord in the NYC area.

Sorry unless you live out here, you just don't get it how little of people care about college sports and subsequently, Rutgers, on the level we in the Midwest and South care about it. It's night and day. Pro sports are everything out here.

 

[deadeyededric]

You people can tell yourselves whatever you need to do to feel better. If we were attractive to anyone we wouldn't be in this position. Keep thinking the people at USC and Stanford are going to invite us to the PAc-12 because we travel to Kansas City for the Big 12 tournament.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Nobody cares. We sell out every game and we are still a low budget athletic department.

Rutgers spent 5 million more in their athletic budget than ISU did in the last ranking 2019, but the school pumped almost $30 million into their sports program compared to $2 million from ISU.

College Finances - USA TODAY

 

[deadeyededric]

Rutgers spent 5 million more in their athletic budget than ISU did in the last ranking 2019, but the school pumped almost $30 million into their sports program compared to $2 million from ISU.

College Finances - USA TODAY

They have more fans. They have a larger market for advertising. It's about money. JFC

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

They have more fans. They have a larger market for advertising. It's about money. JFC

So they have more fans, but those same fans just don't go to the games is what you are saying. Because that is what the attendence records show over the last decade.
NY is a pro town, like many large cities, its like me saying that a large portion of Chicago cares about Northwestern because they are located in the city.
Funny how their games are a lot like Rutgers, huge fan base you say, but few of them at the game.

 

[jctisu]

You people can tell yourselves whatever you need to do to feel better. If we were attractive to anyone we wouldn't be in this position. Keep thinking the people at USC and Stanford are going to invite us to the PAc-12 because we travel to Kansas City for the Big 12 tournament.

Man you are losing this so badly you keep moving the goal posts. Not a single person currently in this thread is saying we are this huge value to anyone out there that is currently a P5 conference when it comes to the thing that matters, money. What people are pointing out at this juncture is the Big Ten's gamble on Maryland and more specifically, Rutgers not paying off in the long run. We know we are small population and all of that. But when it comes to true value to a conference from a competitive and growth (like a stock) ISU laps Rutgers all day. Stick ISU or Oklahoma State or almost any of the remaining Big 12 schools in a metro area like Rutgers and the Big Ten fans and head honchos would be drooling because they would get the market plus actual good athletic programs that people would go out of their way to pay and watch.

 

[deadeyededric]

So they have more fans, but those same fans just don't go to the games is what you are saying. Because that is what the attendence records show over the last decade.
NY is a pro town, like many large cities, its like me saying that a large portion of Chicago cares about Northwestern because they are located in the city.
Funny how their games are a lot like Rutgers, huge fan base you say, but few of them at the game.

I know that most fans, especially East coast fans aren't showing up to watch a terrible team. It doesn't mean they aren't streaming games. And you are talking about a Private school with a tiny enrollment that pretty much only grads care about. Rutgers is THE large state institution in New Jersey. It doesn't matter how many sellout watching 2-10 Paul Rhoads we had. Iowa is a low population state.