Kansas to Big 10?

[LarryISU]

In other B1G news, I should never be surprised by the lengths Huskers go to to inflate their importance.

They are blind to the fact that the reason their "big" game with Oklahoma got an 11:00 kick is because of NU. There are some good matchups that week of two ranked teams. So, the 49th best team playing at the #2, no bueno! No one wants to see that game except their fans.

Then today the local sports guy was explaining how difficult the Husker schedule is. They play 4 ranked teams. But really they play 8 ranked teams because at some point in the season, he expects Illinois, Northwestern, Michigan and Minnesota will all be ranked, even if just for a week. So, 8 ranked teams! Just a terribly impossible schedule! So put the Huskers #1 when it comes to unwinnable difficult schedules. (This is what he implied, of course).

 

[StPaulCyclone]

You guys are giving the mizzou troll exactly what he wants.

Exactly. It’s hard to have that loser on ignore, then have everyone feed the troll. This thread should be about 4 pages max…

 

[cyIclSoneU]

The pods could be something like this:

West Neb, ISU, KU, and Iowa
North Minn, Wisc. NW and Illin.
Lakes Mich., Mich. St, Indiana, Ohio State
East Purdue, Penn St. Rutgers and Maryland.

Insures that Mich, MSU and OSU plays every year, and every conference school plays everyone else every other year.

Maybe the best you can do but also a good illustration why divisions are better. Iowa-Minnesota, Iowa-Wisconsin, Penn State-Ohio State, Penn State-Michigan, Indiana-Purdue are all games that can and should be played annually and wouldn’t be in this set up.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Divisions make sense. And I agree if there are 4 divisions, then a semi and Conference Championship would be a TV ratings win for the BIG10. The non-semi teams could play a +1 for the 12th game.

However, I think the Big10 would move away from geographic divisions & attempt to balance strength of each. Makes sense to have OSU, Michigan, Penn State and Wisky to be in different divisions. The schedule could be such that the OSU/Mich divisions play each year. Same goes for PSU/Wisky.

Once the 8 or 12 team playoff begins, the key is to get as many teams into that money grab. IMO a 12 team playoff could end need for Conference Championship Games.

The B1G already tried competitive balance divisions and it was a disaster. They switched to geographic from Legends and Leaders.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

I listened to a video from Ohio St. Inside Scoop by Tom Orr, and he had a Big 10 "insider" on. I have no idea his credentials but he said in the Kansas pitch to the B1G, they are selling that their market spills in to Denver also. It said Western Kansas is covered by cable companies out of Denver, bringing the B1G into the Denver market also.

Not saying its valid but just passing it along.

It’s that an argument that the Denver market actually brings Western Kansas?

 

[StPaulCyclone]

ISU offers a tuition discount to Minnesota residents. It lowers ISU's tuition for students from Minnesota to a point that it is generally less expensive than in-state tuition at the University of Minnesota.

If this is true, I’d sure like to know more.

 

[isu81]

The pods could be something like this:

West Neb, ISU, KU, and Iowa
North Minn, Wisc. NW and Illin.
Lakes Mich., Mich. St, Indiana, Ohio State
East Purdue, Penn St. Rutgers and Maryland.

Insures that Mich, MSU and OSU plays every year, and every conference school plays everyone else every other year.

There are only two teams that would like or agree to that. Kansas and Iowa State.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Maybe the best you can do but also a good illustration why divisions are better. Iowa-Minnesota, Iowa-Wisconsin, Penn State-Ohio State, Penn State-Michigan, Indiana-Purdue are all games that can and should be played annually and wouldn’t be in this set up.

But by going to division, that means you play teams in the other division once every four years. The way I grouped them you do not have a strong east and weak west, like they currently do. But equal pods all around. Penn., St. will be fine playing OSU every other year, just like EIU will be fine playing Wisconsin or Minn. every other year.

I tried to go by geography, its not written in stone, you could flip Minn. into the West in place of Iowa, or Mich. St into the east in place of Purdue. Which would MSU rather play every year Michigan or Penn. St? Who would Iowa rather play every year Minn. or ISU, that was all I was trying to do here.

We have to get an invite before we can even start talking about stuff like this, but the flaw with divisions in large conferences is that teams from the other divisions do not play each other enough. If you add protected opponents from the other division you end up with a system like the SEC currently has where Georgia and Alabama play once a decade, and nobody wants that.

 

[rochclone]

You need to stop thinking the rest of the country is as excited about ISU football as ISU fans are.

You need to quit being a dickhead troll.

 

[rochclone]

You couldn't go to big events. You could still do everything else people were just wearing masks. If everyone was home it should have had a massive TV audience.

Well it was higher than Oklahoma vs. Florida.

 

[rochclone]

Even if say 5% of that 20 million watch that game it's still going to be more than 90% of the Des Moines area watching an ISU game.

It’s not 5% and it’s highly unlikely it is even .5%. If Rutgers has an away game that is Pay-Per View of $10.99 how many fans Scarlet Knights are paying that fee. Now compare that to Oklahoma State or Iowa State in the same situation. This is where the model is headed in the next 7-9 years.

 

[deadeyededric]

It’s not 5% and it’s highly unlikely it is even .5%. If Rutgers has an away game that is Pay-Per View of $10.99 how many fans Scarlet Knights are paying that fee. Now compare that to Oklahoma State or Iowa State in the same situation. This is where the model is headed in the next 7-9 years.

We aren't getting added by anyone. We're taking Cinci and some other school and making the Big MAC.

 

[AppleCornCy]

It’s not 5% and it’s highly unlikely it is even .5%. If Rutgers has an away game that is Pay-Per View of $10.99 how many fans Scarlet Knights are paying that fee. Now compare that to Oklahoma State or Iowa State in the same situation. This is where the model is headed in the next 7-9 years.

I don’t know that it will be pay per view like that, but I could see something like $24.99 per month for ESPN (with everything on their app), $10.99 per month for Fox Sports, and $79.99 per year for the conference network.

 

[Cyclones1969]

We aren't getting added by anyone. We're taking Cinci and some other school and making the Big MAC.

Why does this make sense to you?

I mean I couldn’t imagine being a “fan” of a team and running this stupid schtick

 

[AppleCornCy]

Why does this make sense to you?

I mean I couldn’t imagine being a “fan” of a team and running this stupid schtick

We have some fans who actually think we’ll end up in the MAC. Not even the AAC, but the MAC.

Usually, those are fans who heard that kind of thing years ago and haven’t given enough thought to how things have changed and are continuing to change.

 

[AuH2O]

You've been arguing for 2 weeks that Rutgers brought nothing to the table and the MSU guy drops the ******* bomb on you.

Seems like most people on here understood why and how Rutgers brought value before, how that value keeps diminishing at all times, and that unless something changes dramatically, they are going to have little value in the future.
They made a bet that by that value flips to negative that Rutgers could use the big 10 to boost its profile and return to the conference. They haven’t done it. Based on the cable/Sat revenue and reduced payout the conference I’m sure is still net positive for Rutgers, but I’m sure they would love a scenario that would give them a way to dump them for future media contracts.

 

[AuH2O]

Why does this make sense to you?

I mean I couldn’t imagine being a “fan” of a team and running this stupid schtick

I think we have a lot of fans like this. They tend to fall into one of two camps. The first are the fatalist, nutcup “we are ISU” losers. The others are the clowns that actually have some odd sense of pride over having good tailgating for a ******* football teams. These are the sit in the parking lot and drink beer and miss half of the third quarter guys.

 

[helechopper]

I think eventually ISU will find itself in the B1G

 

[Cloneon]

We are unlikely to be in a position to negotiate much of anything if the B1G is actually at the table. Not being pessimistic, just the way that it is. If Pollard/Wintersteen tried to negotiate with them when they were on the verge of offering us and that blew up the deal, that would be the worst mistake in the history of Iowa State athletics.

I realize it's difficult and we don't appear to have much leverage. But, our current football trend is up. If we bring bowl or CFP income to the table, that then becomes our strength. A very good case could be made for ISU doing more with less than virtually anyone else in the B1G West. Strengthen the B1G West a bit and the B1G then has more legit CFP players. In the end one thing I am confident of is that JP knows numbers!

 

[trevn]

We aren't getting added by anyone. We're taking Cinci and some other school and making the Big MAC.

Who is "we"?