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Sorry, no. Unless it's in ag or something. But a BA/BS from Mississippi St. is absolutely not going to be regarded on the same level as a BA/BS from Michigan, Wisco, Illinois, etc. Not even close.

It's a lot more than "ag". Unless you're looking to run a Fortune 500 company one day or get into high level politics or something else where the name of the institution on the diploma actually matters, then a diploma is a diploma.
 
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You are still going to get the same quality of education. Those ranking are all based on grad schools and everyone knows it. It's total horse$hit. When I got to ISU I pretty much had grad students teaching classes until my senior year. I paid to learn from PHD's

Probably similar in the core undergrad courses in the first year or two. But I think "quality of education" includes things like access to faculty connections and how it positions you for acceptance to elite grad programs. In those areas it's just not close. Saying that on average a kid graduating with a BA/BS from Mississippi St. is equally positioned for top-end career offers or acceptance into top grad programs as a kid from Michigan is just fiction.
 

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We don't have the NATIONAL following of ND. It would be a disaster!
ISU doesn't have to have a national following to go Independent, it just needs to make sense from a media rights standpoint.

The AAC payout per school is $9M annually. The MWC is around $5M.

Whereas, the Big12 schools less OuT is between $15-20M. So some of the 8 are actually worth more than $15-20M as an independent. Is ISU one of those schools? If ISU is, it might make sense to be an independent in football and join a conference for all other sports.

Scheduling is a bigger deal than having a national following. Especially if ISU would rely on a subscription based revenue model.
 
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Probably similar in the core undergrad courses in the first year or two. But I think "quality of education" includes things like access to faculty connections and how it positions you for acceptance to elite grad programs. In those areas it's just not close. Saying that on average a kid graduating with a BA/BS from Mississippi St. is equally positioned for top-end career offers or acceptance into top grad programs as a kid from Michigan is just fiction.
Most people don't go to grad school. And Michigan is not like most of the Big 10. I can tell you right now nobody is going to be any more impressed with a bachelors from Iowa than they are Mississippi State unless you are in a medical field. Those ranking are really good for fans to jerk off over though. Undergrad degrees aren't really that impressive.
 

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Mississippi State has the #2 Landscape Architecture program in the nation. You trying to tell me if you have a Bachelors in that from there in that they are going to say "no thanks your schools overall ranking is in the 200's you should have done that program at a Big 10 school"? Probably not. Just like Criminal Justice at Central Missouri State. It's one of the best in America.

Yeah, that's along the lines of my ag reference. I've no doubt that Mississippi St. has some programs they do better. But you're really not talking about the masses of students who are majoring in things like business, biology, education, chemistry, communications, pre-professional programs, etc. Yeah if I want to be a veterinarian I'm going to ISU and being happy with it. But if you're in the more common majors that are shared by all major public universities, there's no way a kid from Mississippi St. is going to be as highly regarded as a kid from Michigan. And a big part of it is the industry/business connections they gain from faculty that's just flat out superior.
 

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Yeah, that's along the lines of my ag reference. I've no doubt that Mississippi St. has some programs they do better. But you're really not talking about the masses of students who are majoring in things like business, biology, education, chemistry, communications, pre-professional programs, etc. Yeah if I want to be a veterinarian I'm going to ISU and being happy with it. But if you're in the more common majors that are shared by all major public universities, there's no way a kid from Mississippi St. is going to be as highly regarded as a kid from Michigan.
Mississippi State has a good vet school. Doc Thompson from ISU was on the faculty there forever. He's from my hometown. His son just took a job at ISU from K-State. These schools are all connected.
 

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Sh*tty as they are now, Nebby is a historical blueblood who was an AAU member at the time and finished 1st in their Big 12 division for three straight seasons before joining the B1G. I'm sure the B1G bigwigs knew their AAU membership was on the outs but it was valid at the time of entry and they brought a national brand. Rutgers and Maryland was 100% about TV footprint/revenue. But in terms of academics the B1G and SEC aren't even in the same stratosphere.
Uhm… I think we all know those division championships in the old Big 12 north weren’t exactly murders row.
 
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As for Imperialcy...in 2010...yes financially ISU doesnt bring much to the table for the BIG bc Iowa has the state already. This same logic applies to the PAC Network, which is in dire straights. Adding the state of Iowa is adding additional revenue to the PAC.

Last thing I'll say. This is not 2010. A statistical model is only as good as the assumptions. 10 years from now College Sports revenue will be about subscriptions and fans willing to purchase those subscriptions.

Take a look today at the attendance of BIG and PAC schools and then tell me ISU doesnt bring $$$ value to either conference.
As a business owner 2010 what? Lol it’s about the future my gosh folks things have changed since then you negative Nancy’s
 

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Mississippi State has a good vet school. Doc Thompson from ISU was on the faculty there forever. He's from my hometown. His son just took a job at ISU from K-State. These people are all hooked up.

I have no doubt it is. What I'm saying is that most kids don't major in vet or ag science. Most kids major in things like business, biology, education, communications, social sciences, computer sciences, health sciences, engineering, etc. And in those disciplines, a BA/BS from a Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc., is more highly regarded by employers, brings better industry connections from faculty, and opens more doors to elite grad programs on average than a school like Miss St.
 
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ISU will not be in the Big 10. Kansas likely will. We need to accept that a reconstructed Big 12 is our fate. The only report out there was from Kirk Bohls that said ISU and KU were politely shot down. This is where we are at: relegated. This is the hand we were dealt. I see us losing Campbell this year and Pollard shortly after. The transformation to G5 will then be complete. I am a realist and see the pickle the leftover 8 are.

Edit: here is a link to Dennis Dodd’s CBS today on this exact topic
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...texas-oklahoma-shaking-up-the-conference/amp/
Your characterization of Kirk Bohl's comments are a bit more negative than Kirk's actual tweet.

Big 10 is interested in AAU schools, of which ISU and KU belong.

A source saying they "don't know if they'll get any place". aka the source knows nothing. The guy makes Sargeant Schultz look like Nostradamus.

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I have no doubt it is. What I'm saying is that most kids don't major in vet or ag science. Most kids major in things like business, biology, education, communications, social sciences, computer sciences, health sciences, engineering, etc. And in those disciplines, a BA/BS from a Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc., is more highly regarded by employers, brings better industry connections from faculty, and opens more doors to elite grad programs on average than a school like Miss St.
Maybe on average. That doesn't mean individual degrees from certain schools aren't more prestigious than ones at Big 10 schools. For example, if I wanted to major in journalism I'd much rather go to Mizzou than almost any school in the Big 10.
 

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Maybe on average. That doesn't mean individual degrees from certain schools aren't more prestigious than ones at Big 10 schools. For example, if I wanted to major in journalism I'd much rather go to Mizzou than almost any school in the Big 10.

Yeah we're not disagreeing here. Lol.
 
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In conference realignment, academics—not athletics—are king | Opinion - Deseret News

Dennis Dodds ofc pooo poood this as he tweeted the article...Ofc he would.

Some people in this realignment debate laugh at AAU mattering. It 100% matters to the BIG and the PAC.

No school is getting in the BIG without AAU..period.

ISU might cost BIG schools $2-$3 Mil a year less for joining the BIG (debatable)...But the added research consortium in the BIG ISU adds to dwarfs this..

These are President's making the final decision within the BIG..Not AD's.
AAU brings in more dollars than athletics
 

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I certainly am not smarter than anyone and I never said I was. I said I build models similar to how a television company would produce a school’s valuation (nothing more/nothing less).
The ability to build models is meaningless.

Having industry knowledge and making correct assumptions is what counts.

Hell, I could create an accurate analysis on the back of a Pizza Pit napkin if I had industry knowledge to make the necessary assumptions.
 
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[QUOTE="ImperialCyclone, post: 784tothink ISU adds value to the PAC more than the B1G. I also think butts in seats is going to be a huge indicator of streaming revenue. These all complicate the models. Lots of unknowns. I would say the value added potential is more likely KU/ISU in the PAC. AAU schools is huge for that conference. I hope that ISU/KU/Okie State end up in the PAC together. I just think the B1G is the longest of shots (despite it making a ton of sense).
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I know it's a completely different model, but why can pro sports add expansion team after expansion team in every league and project money and income from each and every one, but top level college keeps working itself to get fewer and fewer top-level teams?

Wouldn't the ultimate end all of this be just two teams standing in another 30 years. Texas and Alabama? Maybe?
 
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[QUOTE="ImperialCyclone, post: 784tothink ISU adds value to the PAC more than the B1G. I also think butts in seats is going to be a huge indicator of streaming revenue. These all complicate the models. Lots of unknowns. I would say the value added potential is more likely KU/ISU in the PAC. AAU schools is huge for that conference. I hope that ISU/KU/Okie State end up in the PAC together. I just think the B1G is the longest of shots (despite it making a ton of sense).
I know it's a completely different model, but why can pro sports add expansion team after expansion team in every league and project money and income from each and every one, but top level college keeps working itself to get fewer and fewer top-level teams.

Wouldn't the ultimate end all of this be just two teams standing in another 30 years. Texas and Alabama? Maybe?
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NFL models based on inventory alone. Conferences have differing payouts. Inventory not exactly 1:1.
 

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I know it's a completely different model, but why can pro sports add expansion team after expansion team in every league and project money and income from each and every one, but top level college keeps working itself to get fewer and fewer top-level teams.

Wouldn't the ultimate end all of this be just two teams standing in another 30 years. Texas and Alabama? Maybe?

NFL models based on inventory alone. Conferences have differing payouts. Inventory not exactly 1:1.
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So Yes, Alabama and Texas are all we have left in 2055
 

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I love everyone’s optimism…I really do. I wish I shared it. I sincerely hope I am wrong. I do not know what variables Fox (for example) would use. I fully admit that. I do not know anything in the slightest. My gut and intuition is just telling me to be prepared for a financial change to our athletic department. Will I go to all games and donate more going forward? Absolutely. It’s also okay for Cyclones fans to differ in our opinions.