Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks

[BWRhasnoAC]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if your great grandfather was prominent in the KKK he was not a wonderful, or even a good person.

Depends on your skin color. He was beloved by everyone that knew him. Honestly, how the **** would you know? I'm not justifying his actions, for one I don't have first hand knowledge and neither do you. My mother said all the grand children loved him dearly.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

From my Iowa history course at ISU, I remember the instructor going over the surprising popularity of the triple-K in IA. The way I understand it, it was about religion, not race around here.

It was a prominent 'club'. I'm sure they were racist but they weren't lynching people.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I expect that the PAC announcement will be something like:

We aren't going to expand at this time but we will continue to do our due diligence in finding better ways to improve our conference in the future (non-denial denial). In the meantime we are considering scheduling alliances to expand our media coverage nationwide.

Agreed and I think B1G and ACC would follow with the same. The point would be: we are hitting pause on the realignment wheel at the same time as we did on CFP expansion and we’re gonna take our time.

The Big 12 probably has at least 1.5 more years where it could do nothing and stick OU and UT to the GOR, or it could move toward settlement and 2-6 G5 invitations. If the other power leagues said that they wanted to slow down, I expect the remaining 8 would want to do the same, and OU/UT wouldn’t find much interest in an early settlement.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

From my Iowa history course at ISU, I remember the instructor going over the surprising popularity of the triple-K in IA. The way I understand it, it was about religion, not race around here.

So they just hated Catholics instead of Black people? Why are we even discussing the KKK anyway?

 

[JM4CY]

Baylor is small, Baptist, and has baggage. The worst fit for a California based league

The Pac isn't going to pluck TCU or Baylor over Iowa State.

Thank God we hate Jesus.

 

[Al_4_State]

I expect that the PAC announcement will be something like:

We aren't going to expand at this time but we will continue to do our due diligence in finding better ways to improve our conference in the future (non-denial denial). In the meantime we are considering scheduling alliances to expand our media coverage nationwide.

Exactly.

There isn't going to be any expansion until the Big 12 **** is settled down a ton.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Jim Delaney and Mike Slive were able to manage the egos in their respective conferences, and get the bigger name members to support and lift the lower members. As you said, both the B1G and SEC acted as rising tides that lifted all of their member schools.

Texas (and to a lesser extent OU) wanted to be selfish, and that only served to destabilize the Big 12. Their selfishness ran off Nebraska and A&M which put the conference behind the eight ball. Colorado and Mizzou recognized the instability and jumped ship instead of riding it out.

If instead, the 2010 Big 12 members had pooled their tier 3 rights, and the LHN is instead the Big 12 Network, the original Big 12 likely stays in tact. That means there are 4 marquee members to bolster the value of the league, and this version of the Big 12 is likely on similar footing to the 12 member SEC and 11 (or 12, or 13) member Big 10.

For the B1G, you have to give a lot of credit to Delaney and the BTN. That network completely changed not only the B1G but the entire landscape of college football. Without BTN tOSU and Mich weren't going to continue to pay everyone else bills either.

 

[ISU_Cyclones]

It was a prominent 'club'. I'm sure they were racist but they weren't lynching people.

I honestly did not expect to run into this many KKK apologists on the ISU board. Very sad.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Downer tone to this comment. Jeremy is a methhead. Didn’t expect to learn this in a realignment thread. 2021 is a doozy.

Come for the realignment discussion and stay for the "smack" talk.

 

[SolarGarlic]

From my Iowa history course at ISU, I remember the instructor going over the surprising popularity of the triple-K in IA. The way I understand it, it was about religion, not race around here.

It was that way in Nebraska, too. Notre Dame and Nebraska had quite the rivalry in the 1920s, and it went past the final score. Nebraska fans were awful.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Maybe it's not an easy decision, but if they could make the GoR work it would be a huge boost financially and still let them turn up their academic noses to their hillbilly brethren in the SEC. I think there's enough of a threat of Clemson and FSU heading to the SEC, and ND doing whatever the hell they damn well please that the ACC could be on shaky ground.

The ACC schools are all pretty well to do financially and they have a lot of deep traditions outside of football. I just don't see it happening.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

The ACC schools are all pretty well to do financially and they have a lot of deep traditions outside of football. I just don't see it happening.

If 2 of them jump to the SEC then it won’t be that stable for much longer. Especially when the B1G could tell UVA and UNC with a straight face that they will double their TV money by jumping north.

 

[SolarGarlic]

My mother side of the family is from Manhattan. Her grandfather was prominent in the KKK. He was a wonderful person honestly. The way my grandmother explained it was considered more like a Kiwanis club to people back then rather than a hate group. The gaslighting is stronk.

Wow.

Sorry, not falling for that. A lot of "nice" people have abhorrent beliefs. Being polite and welcoming doesn't make them a "wonderful" person.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Depends on your skin color. He was beloved by everyone that knew him. Honestly, how the **** would you know? I'm not justifying his actions, for one I don't have first hand knowledge and neither do you. My mother said all the grand children loved him dearly.

Well ****, if his grandkids love him. LOL. You should probably just stop.

 

[tsirnickesqcy]

They'll have to lower their academic standards. I doubt they budge on religious institutions, however.

If I'm them, I'm taking Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, & UNLV.

Tech, OSU, Kansas (if no big 10), and ISU (if no big 10)…The Western “Wall”

 

[SolarGarlic]

It was a prominent 'club'. I'm sure they were racist but they weren't lynching people.

What do you think the hoods were for?

Ol Granny really got you good, didn't she?

 

[ISU_Cyclones]

Depends on your skin color. He was beloved by everyone that knew him. Honestly, how the **** would you know? I'm not justifying his actions, for one I don't have first hand knowledge and neither do you. My mother said all the grand children loved him dearly.

I am desperately hoping you're not serious and this is just a poor taste troll. Depends on your skin color????

 

[Cyclones1969]

What do you think the hoods were for?

Ol Granny really got you good, didn't she?

This is the most amazing thing I think I’ve ever read.

Patton Oswald called it adorable racism

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Why aren't they?

the A8 holds all the power in this discussion. Why would any of the A8 vote to accept any buyout?

Tx and Ou can leave and pay $160mil to the A8 for exit...But then the BIg 12 still owns Tx and Ou media rights. Tx and Ou aren't leaving until they have those media rights and the A8 doesn't have to and should not give up the card....at all.

Because it will all get negotiated down. The I-R8 can't afford for this to drag out, they will settle for an eventual buyout and move along. Yes, the money is needed but at this point stability will be even more important. Non of these AD's are going to just wait this thing out.

 

[BMWallace]

For the B1G, you have to give a lot of credit to Delaney and the BTN. That network completely changed not only the B1G but the entire landscape of college football. Without BTN tOSU and Mich weren't going to continue to pay everyone else bills either.

Right, and Delaney managing the clout of tOSU and UM allowed the conference to thrive under the BTN. Had there been a separate Buckeye Network or Wolverine Network I fully expect the Big 10 would have seen instability similar to that the Big 12 saw with the creation of the Longhorn Network. There is no way Penn St. stays in that scenario, and it may have driven others away if they felt they weren't receiving equal treatment.

When Beebe failed to secure equal revenue sharing for the original Big 12 members, that set in motion the end of the conference. The LHN was the poison in the well, and any acts to fix it were going to be too little, too late.