IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[Clonefan94]

There's no way OuT will be in the Big 12 beyond this season. And I'd doubt they end up paying the amount that the GoR mandates them to pay.

I'm not doubting you on this, but if this ends up being the case, every team not named USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St., Clemson and Florida State should be donating to the legal fund of the Big 12. If they skip out of 2 years by paying next to nothing, then it means that GORs as a whole are worthless and anyone can leave at any time, no matter what a GOR says.

Maybe there are a few other ones, Wisconsin could maybe make a case, but most others are in the same position as ISU, Ok. ST. or TTech if the blue bloods in their conference leave.

 

[Rogue52]

There's no way OuT will be in the Big 12 beyond this season. And I'd doubt they end up paying the amount that the GoR mandates them to pay.

I agree, but they won't just negotiate down without significant other developments - such as, ESPN signing a new TV deal with a newly expanded Big 12 that keeps the same going rate for another say 10 years.

 

[BryceC]

All of the various stories out there from different sources. Athletic espn etc

About what? Again, if you want me to address something, please tell me what. Do I believe every single story put out by ESPN or the Athletic? ESPN, the Athletic, etc. have not commented regarding what Wannstadt has said today.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Not sure how many times we have to explain Rutgers and Maryland got the BTN on cable packages in NYC and DC. No one cares how many fans they had. The B1G schools got carriage fees that way. That model is not going to work long term; cable is not going that way any more. Rutgers in particular got luckier than maybe any program in history by being in the right place at the right time and now will be a drag on the B1G finances for decades.

This can't be stated enough. 10 years later and people are already asking "Why the hell is Rutgers in this conference again?"

 

[jcyclonee]

Where’s Campbell?

Like Crazy Horse, when he's done he'll be even bigger.

 

[Primetime26]

Which mattered 10 years ago but things have drastically shifted away from cable subscriptions.

LOL

 

[jdoggivjc]

If I had to guess, Iowa City believes Dave Wannstedt is the worst coach in the history of football today?

Ironically, I think for the most part Iowa City is fine with his comments. It's the people that have never set foot in Iowa City, much less can even point out where it is on the map (despite living in the state their entire lives) that have a problem with him.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The only reason why I want to give Wannstadt the benefit of the doubt is because he's speaking from a FOX perspective, which is something that we've all been talking about since the day after OuT "left". But you're absolutely right - unit any of the Big 10, Pollard or Wintersteen make any official statements, this is all talk and speculation. It's just nice to get some "good news" for a change.

Yeah, it was just refreshing to hear someone not just crap all over the remaining 8 for a change....

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

There's no way OuT will be in the Big 12 beyond this season. And I'd doubt they end up paying the amount that the GoR mandates them to pay.

Nobody can afford for this to drag out, it will all get settled fairly soon IMO.

 

[AuH2O]

LOL

Yes cable footprint is incredibly important moving forward. That's why we're seeing leagues trip over themselves to get TCU and Clemson is worried about what's going to happen to the ACC when BC gets poached.

 

[Gonzo]

If your first sentence is correct, the fact that they will pay anything means the contract worked. And I’m not convinced it’s correct, especially if the other power leagues are not going to take the 8. They have no incentive to settle, and every reason to stick UT and OU to the contract, if the alternative is elevating American schools and trying to live as the clear #5 league in $$$.

You think OuT will be playing in the Big 12 until 2025?

I think they bolt after this season, then try dragging it out through some kind of mediation to arrive at a lesser $$$ amount.

 

[Antihawk240]

There's no way OuT will be in the Big 12 beyond this season. And I'd doubt they end up paying the amount that the GoR mandates them to pay.

You could very well be correct. I like to envision that possibly a "settlement" will occur. ESPN/SEC/OuT approach the R8 with a "we are not admitting guilt" but we will cut you a check in the amount $X payable over the next Y years....but the Big XII has to dissolve immediately and so we all go our separate ways effective immediately.......... OuT is immediately in the SEC and the R8 can immediately begin their sales pitch to other conferences. This all works IF behind the scenes conversations have been held, which obviously no one will admit to (hence todays press conference). The R8 accept the settlement because they know they have a bed to lay in at the end of the day that is satisfactory and safe for them.

Or again, much like ALL of us are thinking and saying........ I will keep telling myself that because it is much better than thinking " Oh $hit, we are $crewed!"

I again will trust that Pollard and Wintersteen will get us through this pickle because not only are they pretty smart people but of the AAU money that WILL follow us and provide others in our same conference. You better believe the BIG will want us because of our brains. ........... or else I will keep telling myself that.

 

[Stormin]

You think OuT will be playing in the Big 12 until 2025?

I think they bolt after this season, then try dragging it out through some kind of mediation to arrive at a lesser $$$ amount.

We won’t settle. Drag it out until 2025. There is no incentive to settle for less money for the R8. Only ones wanting it settled are OU and Texas and the SEC. Pay up.

 

[CascadeClone]

Nobody can afford for this to drag out, it will all get settled fairly soon IMO.

Agree. Like February or something like that.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

You think OuT will be playing in the Big 12 until 2025?

I think they bolt after this season, then try dragging it out through some kind of mediation to arrive at a lesser $$$ amount.

No, I expect a settlement before then, but I’m not sure and I think it’s kinda wild how certain so many people are about it.

The GOR would make for an incredibly messy split without a mutual settlement. The Big 12 would assert that they own the TV rights to all of their home games. They would probably sue ESPN and the SEC before the season even started to ensure that the money didn’t get into UT’s hands in particular (since they have some sovereign immunity capabilities).

I don’t see any chance of the SEC/UT/OU taking the chance of facing a lawsuit in Delaware where a court could very easily say “This GOR means the Big 12 owns the media rights; ESPN has to distribute the OU and UT share of SEC TV money to the Big 12.” What happens when OU and UT are suddenly out $70MM that they expected to get? Especially when that same money would still go to the Big 12 not just for the 2022 season, but for 2023 and 2024 under the GOR?

What incentives do the 8 have to settle early unless they have power league landing spots? Ending uncertainty is not really an incentive for them if it means a new status quo of what was basically the worst case scenario anyway.

 

[k123]

Since we're all here we might as well learn something:


Peace of Westphalia - 1648

The Treaty of Westphalia | History Today

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The Westphalia area of north-western Germany gave its name to the treaty that ended the Thirty Years' War, one of the most destructive conflicts in the history of Europe.​

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The war or series of connected wars began in 1618, when the Austrian Habsburgs tried to impose Roman Catholicism on their Protestant subjects in Bohemia. It pitted Protestant against Catholic, the Holy Roman Empire against France, the German princes and princelings against the emperor and each other, and France against the Habsburgs of Spain. The Swedes, the Danes, the Poles, the Russians, the Dutch and the Swiss were all dragged in or dived in. Commercial interests and rivalries played a part, as did religion and power politics.​

Westphalian Sovereignty

Westphalian system - Wikipedia

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Westphalian sovereignty, or state sovereignty, is a principle in international law that each state has exclusive sovereignty over its territory. The principle underlies the modern international system of sovereign states and is enshrined in the United Nations Charter, which states that "nothing ... shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state." According to the idea, every state, no matter how large or small, has an equal right to sovereignty. Political scientists have traced the concept to the Peace of Westphalia (1648), which ended the Thirty Years' War. The principle of non-interference was further developed in the 18th century. The Westphalian system reached its peak in the 19th and 20th centuries, but it has faced recent challenges from advocates of humanitarian intervention.​

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The Congress of Vienna (1815) may be more appropriate - create peace in Europe to "balance" Big Powers (Power 5 to Power 4??) after Napoleon rampaged around Europe (SEC??) trying to conquer or create client states - compared to Westphalian non-interference/Sovereignty, but doesn't have as good of "Alliance" pictures

Congress of Vienna - Wikipedia

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[CloneJD]

You think OuT will be playing in the Big 12 until 2025?

I think they bolt after this season, then try dragging it out through some kind of mediation to arrive at a lesser $$$ amount.

What possibly would cause the 8 to settle for less then the contracted damages? If ou and ut officially leave early they will pay their buyout minus the cost to litigate.

 

[Cyclones1969]

We won’t settle. Drag it out until 2025. There is no incentive to settle for less money for the R8. Only ones wanting it settled are OU and Texas and the SEC. Pay up.

The last thing anyone from Disney or the two schools want is to have to testify about the negotiations under oath.

I said this before, and it’s still true. Disney has a number that they will be willing to pay with no qualms. However they have to start negotiations to get there.

They all know this will be costly. They will ultimately pay it to avoid any time in court. A judge will make that state rep embarrassing the ut ad look like she was taking it easy

 

[everyyard]

We won’t settle. Drag it out until 2025. There is no incentive to settle for less money for the R8. Only ones wanting it settled are OU and Texas and the SEC. Pay up.

It won’t drag out. Maybe the money thing will, but not the leaving.

 

[jbhtexas]

What possibly would cause the 8 to settle for less then the contracted damages? If ou and ut officially leave early they will pay their buyout minus the cost to litigate.

The only thing that would cause the Remaining 8 to settle for less is the guarantee of a high-paying landing spot after 2025, or a big fat check that puts them somewhat on par with a typical P5 media payout for the next 10 years or so. Otherwise, if UT/OU want to bolt and not pay, they will be court for breaking the GOR, and then they'll be in court again after that facing (along with their ESPN and SEC collaborators) a future loss lawsuit. Thanks to the Houston Chronicle, they were caught dead-to-right decimating the Big 12 bylaws.