IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

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I'd be shocked if it would break even. I believe only FB and MBB make money, both WBB and VB (both pretty successful and fairly well attended compared to national averages lose money.)
I saw Wisconsin and Minnesota had $5.8-5.9 million in hockey revenue in 2018 which was over $200k/ athlete. Seems like we could pull in half that amount. I have no idea what it costs to run a D1 hockey program but do know recruiting would be similar to football for a Texas school thanks to the USHL.
 
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Yes I agree $ is the not only incredibly important, but the most important thing.

You don't think ESPN will/isn't already doing all it can to road block the streaming platforms? They are in the cat bird seat


Right, I forgot cable doesn't make any $ off adds its only on streaming platforms.
You are terrible at reading comprehension.

Let's take it to the extremes to make a point that is so elementary it shouldn't have to be explained. If a show on cable has zero viewers, ad value for that show is worthless. If a show gets 20M viewers its ad value is much greater. Maybe you didn't realize it, but ad value for the Super Bowl is much greater than a rerun of Survivor on the same channel at the same time.

Cable gets ad value, but that value is dependent on whether or not people watch. So again, every factor keeps shifting value toward actual viewership, and away from being a team that lacks interest but lands a bunch of carriage fees. That doesn't mean the latter is gone and is not important, it is just shrinking as a percent of the overall team value vs. factors that require viewership.

The point is it's not "streaming" vs. "cable/sat." It's factors of value that require viewership vs. those that don't. The big ten had a model that could capitalize on the latter very well. It still does, but that has and continues to be of reduced emphasis. However, the Big 10 is still in good shape because OSU, Michigan, PSU and Wisconsin get huge viewership on the over the air networks, which of course is ad dependent. So Big 10 is still going to get a lot of money, it's just pushing the value of the conference even more toward those four and away from the Rutgers and Marylands of the conference.
 

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Besides the obvious benefit of increased revenue (long-term) in the BIG, wouldn't ISU have to add sports to get to the BIG championship number (14)? To me, expansion from the current 9 would be great for ISU. We never would get to the number that Ohio State has, but it would mean additional opportunities for athletes to attend ISU.

We could compete (cheaply) with Nebraska for the women's bowling championship? That would bring up to 10. :cool:
 
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I saw in 2018 Wisconsin and Minnesota had $5.8-5.9 million in hockey revenue in 2018 which was over $200k/ athlete. Seems like we could pull in half that amount. I have no idea what it costs to run a D1 hockey program but do know recruiting would be similar to football for a Texas school thanks to the USHL.
I would LOVE to see ISU go full blown hockey for both men and women. It would go over well. Need a bigger arena though.
 
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I'd be shocked if it would break even. I believe only FB and MBB make money, both WBB and VB (both pretty successful and fairly well attended compared to national averages lose money.)
I think that there are only a handful of hockey programs in the country that are profitable and probably half of those are in Minnesota. Maybe some of the Big 10 teams are considered profitable due to BTN distributions. However, if those hockey games on BTN were replaced by interesting niche sports like rugby or ultimate frisbee, the ratings would probably not drop off all that much except for games televised for certain teams (e.g. Minnesota).
 

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I know that I remember going to a hockey game at Hilton in 1997. They hosted the tournament there. Has that not happened since then? I haven't followed it closely.
I think shortly after that they tore out the equipment, but Hilton was equipped for hockey. The bleachers were folded up.
 

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Not exactly sure.
For womens sports, I would guess womens wrestling. Unless we did hockey which then would probably be Mens and Womens.
 

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I like the hockey enthusiasm, but jeepers....if you need to add sports to meet a requirement you probably don't start with Hockey.
Men's Soccer is probably the no-brainer. already have a nice facility that could easily be enhanced with little money and the sport itself its cheap to run. If its about meeting a requirement and $$$ than that would be where I would start, not to mention Soccer is growing in US popularity, etc.
Agree and if we know JP he will add the sports that will lose the least amount of money first and then fortify football and basketball (revenue) and then maybe wrestling which may be a break even sport. He will also want to invest in the entertainment district since that has potential to make a lot of money.
 

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Here's the problem with a guy like Thamel jumping to conclusions based on the "Alliance" statement that the conferences aren't expanding and the Big 12 is going to be on the outside looking in. In addition to being some hardcore confirmation bias, his scenario he expects doesn't solve the two massive problems that absolutely will and must come to a head soon. That is the terrible ACC deal and the dire financial situation of the PAC. He just says, this all sounds like these will be the power conferences and the Big 12 will be left out, and here's a scheduling alliance.

First, the PAC 12 absolutely must do something or they are as good as dead. The Big 10 can commit to not poaching the top of the PAC, but it does nothing to solve their financial problem. This scheduling does very little, if anything. USC, Oregon, and to an extent Washington and UCLA get big non-con games as it is. Maybe it helps a bit in the mid-tier teams, but we're talking about minimal impact on a per team basis.

Second, and probably more importantly, the ACC (or at least the top teams in the conference) absolutely have to get out of their terrible media deal. Basically they need to have whatever level of change occur that will allow them to get out of that deal. It's a financial disaster. Not that ACC teams need to match the SEC or Big 10, but Clemson isn't going to live with getting 1/4 of the money or so of a bunch of these SEC teams.

So Thamel can say, nobody's expanding, they're just doing this alliance, but that's pretty idiotic. Two of the three alliance conferences are in deep **** and are unstable. And there's nothing in this alliance that provides any stability or a fix for the PAC and ACCs incredible financial disadvantage. The PAC and ACC need some extent of organized chaos to reset their media deals within a couple of years, or they are going to be as good as dead.

This also offers an explanation to those who say "why would the B1G live up to their end of the deal without a contract, and why would they care about the stability of other conferences?". This alliance gives the B1G a voting block to help fend off the SEC/ESPN, which appears to be in a better position to take advantage of any chaos they might cause.
 

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Serious question but what the f*ck does that even mean?

Exactly. The LAST people I want to be hearing from right now is Pollard and Wintersteen. The only thing those two could possibly tell ISU fans at this point is bad news. This might be hard for those panicking to believe, but no (official) news = good news. The only thing JP could possibly tell us at this point is invites to either the Big 10 or PAC 12 isn’t coming and ISU’s future is uncertain. The only time I want to hear an official statement from JP is when there is a lot of smoke about where ISU is headed.
 

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I think that there are only a handful of hockey programs in the country that are profitable and probably half of those are in Minnesota. Maybe some of the Big 10 teams are considered profitable due to BTN distributions. However, if those hockey games on BTN were replaced by interesting niche sports like rugby or ultimate frisbee, the ratings would probably not drop off all that much except for games televised for certain teams (e.g. Minnesota).
Ultimate frisbee needs to happen along with that bad ass 'tag with obstacles' they're showing on the Ocho.
 
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Throwing this out there at the risk of being mocked, but college women's wrestling is going to be a thing. It's a chance for ISU to build on one of the historic strengths.

It seems like this may still take a while to get the numbers up to the point where it could support a large number of programs. I'm sure there are more gals wrestling in high school than I might guess, but not all of those kids are going to be continuing on to college, and not all of those are going to be interested in continuing to wrestle once there.
 

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It seems like this may still take a while to get the numbers up to the point where it could support a large number of programs. I'm sure there are more gals wrestling in high school than I might guess, but not all of those kids are going to be continuing on to college, and not all of those are going to be interested in continuing to wrestle once there.
Not that the NCAA has any power and all that, but is Womens Wrestling even a sanctioned sport?
 

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I will say that the PAC is in better shape than the ACC most likely. Shorter time period until their deal is up. With ESPN wanting the B12 blown up, I can see the ACC being pushed to take WV. Also makes me slightly nervous about WV. Hope they are smart and understand that their only path to the ACC is still bending OU and UT over for some money to allow everyone out in a more timely manner.
Maybe this has already been covered. Since the B12 wasn't included in this alliance, what's preventing the B12 from renegotiating 'what if' scenarios to poach P12 schools? We might then be able to reach pre OUT levels with X number of P12 schools covering a nationwide set of time zones. Just another thought provoking idea!