IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[BMWallace]

I think the Big 12 stays in tact for 4 more seasons unless OU, UT and ESPN are willing to pay a very large sum to the remaining 8 schools. Most likely a sum that is a multiple of what they would like to pay and thought they would pay. It’s going to be WAY bigger than the $75 mil x 2 = $150 mil that’s being talked about. I’m looking forward to Iowa State joining the B1G or some other post-NCAA regional conference in 2025.

This is the way I see it going. And every other move regarding expansion, or disbanding of the Hateful 8 can be made with the end of the GOR in mind. The remaining schools are going to do everything they can to bleed ESPN, UT, and OU of the money that they owe to the conference. Whether that happens before 2024 via settlement, or at the end of the GOR is up to ESPN and the SEC.

In the mean time, we might know where every team is headed by the end of 2022, but have it not go into effect until the 2025 season. That allows time for each conference to negotiate their media rights with their new configuration firmed up.

 

[jdoggivjc]

And A&M didn't know about it either until it was a fait accompli. Bowlsby may have been stabbed in the back, but A&M got stabbed in the front, imho.

It's like if all your buddies invited your crazy ex to your birthday party, and then spent all their time talking to her instead of you. And then one of them takes her home for the night.

One of them? It was more like a gigantic orgy that took place in A&M’s living room.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

It would be foolish to expand now. Why put all our chips on the table? Texas and OU are scheduled to play a Big 12 conference slate until 2025. Until that changes, there’s no need to make the move. It’s not like the BACCPAC teams are going to expand with G5 over the R8. Those teams will be on the table when and if the time comes to add

There's a little thing program called stability and roughly 8 schools in the Big 12 are very concerned with that. If expansion is going to happen it will happen in the next few months, this won't drag out years. UT and OU have known all along that when they leave the conference falls apart and that they will be able to negotiate down to a reasonable buyout. I know a lot of people want to Stick it" to them but time is nobody's friend right now. As long as the angry 8 have a soft landing spot this will all move along quickly.

 

[werdnamanhill]

I don't care if Ou and Texas get off completely Scott free if we get a nice spot.

 

[MugNight]

Makes sense except for speculative entities (eg recruiting) which could accelerate any plan.

For sure. I’d be shocked if OU and UT are playing in XII in 2023. Any additions should happen once it’s clear we need to fill a schedule and stay viable.

 

[Cloneon]

I don't care if Ou and Texas get off completely Scott free if we get a nice spot.

Nice spot in my mind is using OuT money as a buy-in.

 

[MugNight]

There's a little thing program called stability and roughly 8 schools in the Big 12 are very concerned with that. If expansion is going to happen it will happen in the next few months, this won't drag out years. UT and OU have known all along that when they leave the conference falls apart and that they will be able to negotiate down to a reasonable buyout. I know a lot of people want to Stick it" to them but time is nobody's friend right now. As long as the angry 8 have a soft landing spot this will all move along quickly.

Right. Those adds should happen when it’s clear that’s the path to viability. I agree, the timeline is more likely months, not years. I just think it’s premature to start adding teams in August 2021, especially if it muddies the current GOR or possibility of payout.

 

[BryceC]

Yet Dave says he doesn’t have facts, lol. More speculation with no facts to back it up.

Again, there are no facts to be had. Everybody is talking out of their ass here until proven otherwise.

 

[jdoggivjc]

There's a little thing program called stability and roughly 8 schools in the Big 12 are very concerned with that. If expansion is going to happen it will happen in the next few months, this won't drag out years. UT and OU have known all along that when they leave the conference falls apart and that they will be able to negotiate down to a reasonable buyout. I know a lot of people want to Stick it" to them but time is nobody's friend right now. As long as the angry 8 have a soft landing spot this will all move along quickly.

The only way I’ll start getting worried about ISU’s future is if there comes a time that there is serious smoke about Big 12 expansion. ESPN’s insistence that the AAC is getting a boatload of former Big 12 members doesn’t scare me in the least, not does a bunch of internet writers throwing poo against the wall about Big 12 expansion. I am 100% convinced a move to the AAC is not happening, and as I stated earlier, the Big 12 didn’t hire Luck to expand the conference with G5 teams. I’ll only be concerned if expansion talks get serious in spite of Luck being there.

 

[Cydaddy]

IMO 2021 may be the last FB season with OuT but I can't see it going beyond 2022. A settlement will be reached sooner rather than later with behind the scene deals made to place most of the remaining angry 8. Even if a settlement is reached well before the 2022 FB season, it may still need to be played due to difficulty in arranging fall 2022 schedules on short notice. Nothing is going to happen with expansion until a settlement occurs and I don't think the B12 is going to add teams from the AAC. OuT wants out of the B12 ASAP and a negotiated settlement will happen. I think it is small minded to try to extract as much $$$$ from OuT as possible while putting our own future at risk as to recruiting, retaining staff, etc.

Who knows what the right settlement is, but if both groups feel they got screwed it is probably the right amount. Just my opinion.

 

[Cyforce]

Makes sense except for speculative entities (eg recruiting) which could accelerate any plan.

Gotta look at what all the sides get.

SEC & ESPN get their super conference sooner than later.
Alliance gets better contracts
Remaining 8 get soft landing spots

 

[CascadeClone]

I was gonna say two, but the living room orgy is even better.

At least, thats what i heard...

One of them? It was more like a gigantic orgy that took place in A&M’s living room.

 

[BryceC]

Who knows what the right settlement is, but if both groups feel they got screwed it is probably the right amount. Just my opinion.

If UT gets a firm talking to they are going to feel like they got screwed.

 

[WesternPA]

Almost always in a press release it will state the total amount. In other words, if it says ISU is leading a $10 grant w/ PSU, it might be $6m to ISU and $4m to PSU.

Edit to better answer your question- I suspect in the hypothetical above ISU would report the full $10m since they are the lead and PSU would report their cut of $4M. So there will be some duplication if you have collaborations among conference schools and then simply add all the schools’ research dollars and state it as a conference total.

Thanks. Just completing the thought: the reason your research ("your" as broadly applied to all ISU research work by you and others) most importantly adds to the knowledge base, but also covers your salary and some of the wages of others in your department which the grant application says work on the particular study. You have made yourself a no-cost "profit center" at a non-profit institution. Is that about the correct way to think about outside grant-funded research?

 

[Gonzo]

Also, "I'm kind of in the loop somewhat." Give him credit, he's not trying to mislead anyone about what he knows. But it's hard to listen to what he's said and call it anything more than informed speculation.

Interestingly, the part about the B1G expansion was the part he sounded least confident about this time around. He threw it in near the end and it seemed even more speculative than everything else he said.

And so many of the pundits speculating make it sound like expansion is something that the AD gets to decide. This is a university president decision when it comes to who a conference will officially invite. I don't see Dave or mid-level FOX guys having any ins on that front.

 

[jcyclonee]

I’ll wait for Jamie and Dr. Wintersteen to say what’s actually going to happen.

Why wait for what they have to say? Neither of them has a mustache.

 

[cyfanatic]

And so many of the pundits speculating make it sound like expansion is something that the AD gets to decide. This is a university president decision when it comes to who a conference will officially invite. I don't see Dave or mid-level FOX guys having any ins on that front.

That is the way it worked in the past...but this is a different era. While the official invites might go out from the presidents...the accountants will be making those decisions!

 

[heitclone]

And so many of the pundits speculating make it sound like expansion is something that the AD gets to decide. This is a university president decision when it comes to who a conference will officially invite. I don't see Dave or mid-level FOX guys having any ins on that front.

I agree but they could know what Fox wants, I think that's the most likely take away from his comments. That these discussions took place. It doesn't mean this will happen but IMO it gives his comments a bit more merit, he made these comments on his first radio show after attending meetings where fox and the b1g were present. You don't have to believe him (I don't really) that this is happening but I think it's hard to deny that he at least heard these things mentioned and discussed at those meetings.

 

[WesternPA]

I agree but they could know what Fox wants, I think that's the most likely take away from his comments. That these discussions took place. It doesn't mean this will happen but IMO it gives his comments a bit more merit, he made these comments on his first radio show after attending meetings where fox and the b1g were present. You don't have to believe him (I don't really) that this is happening but I think it's hard to deny that he at least heard these things mentioned and discussed at those meetings.

Do you know for sure B1G people were present or where they folks like Wanny who do Big Ten games? I'm not sure conference people who might be in the know on conference expansion plans would be at a preseason meeting of television play-by-play guys and color analysts. I think it more likely Wanny called guys from Big Ten broadcasting crews "Big Ten people."

 

[AuH2O]

Thanks. Just completing the thought: the reason your research ("your" as broadly applied to all ISU research work by you and others) most importantly adds to the knowledge base, but also covers your salary and some of the wages of others in your department which the grant application says work on the particular study. You have made yourself a no-cost "profit center" at a non-profit institution. Is that about the correct way to think about outside grant-funded research?

The research dollars cover people (scientists, faculty, grad and undergrad students), materials etc at cost (give or take). Then there is overhead added to that, which is used for university operating expense. So it helps attract and employ students, cover their tuition for grads, gets publications out there, develop patents that can be licensed, builds infrastructure and capability in terms of equipment and knowledge, etc.

So while it’s certainly not money that goes into a fund for the university to spend on what it chooses, it certainly isn’t zero sum either.