Now that I've calmed down...

[AuH2O]

For those more knowledgeable, was it the scheme Iowa used? Does their defense have more speed that our receivers didn't get open as much as we want? (didn't think they did against UNI either). Was their line tough for Purdy to throw over or were they getting more penetration than I could tell in my far away seat? Reason I ask, I just can't believe Purdy just had that bad of a game and/or Breece fumbles cuz it just didn't click. I mean, while we want to believe some of the interceptions were self-inflicted, I don't know what it looked like from a qb's eyes on the field.

They play different zone defenses, but almost exclusively zone. While they will do some stunting and sending a LB while dropping a DE, in the end it is the same formula almost every play:
- Get enough pressure and pocket containment with four to at least make the QB uncomfortable
- Play zone everywhere else, meaning lots of eyes on the quarterback and much quicker rallying to the ball
- Be sound in assignment to make the throwing windows tight - bet that a team won't have the patience and execution to put together long sustained drives

Even with perfect man coverage, if you get an errant pass or tipped ball, the other defenders are probably going to be slower to get there because they don't have eyes in the backfield. Straight zone like that has weaknesses, but that is a major advantage.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Now that I’ve calmed down…I can let the anger build up again.

 

[BryceC]

assuming Manning cant be upgraded midseason (and it isn’t actually a CMC issue),

Everything that happens in the program is a CMC issue good and bad. He brought back Manning, he's getting what he's paid for 2 times. And the issue isn't the playcalling.

Three times Purdy threw intereceptions - 2 were through the hands of his receivers and another was a bad physical mistake on an underthrown ball. None of them had any significant pressure. Hall gives up a scoop and score by having extremely poor ball security deep in our own territory. None of that has anything to do with playcalling. It has everything to do with preparation and execution and that always, always, always falls on the head coach.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Now that I've calmed down, I am encouraged by the defensive performance by our guys. What is all of this hype surrounding Goodson for Iowa? He looked slow and was ineffective all day. Their backup looked quick and lively, but also had the fumble that ended up getting overturned. Hot take: Iowa will have a let down game or two due to their offense. ISU will be ok moving forward.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Everything that happens in the program is a CMC issue good and bad. He brought back Manning, he's getting what he's paid for 2 times. And the issue isn't the playcalling.

Three times Purdy threw intereceptions - 2 were through the hands of his receivers and another was a bad physical mistake on an underthrown ball. Hall gives up a scoop and score by having extremely poor ball security deep in our own territory. None of that has anything to do with playcalling. It has everything to do with preparation and execution and that always, always, always falls on the head coach.

This is why I wish the media wouldn't run with all these win in the margin stories. Makes Campbell look really bad when ironically this is how most of our losses over the last 2-3 years have gone down. You don't win in the margins when your ST play is marginal at best. I am never confident when our guys line up to punt, kick FGs, XPs, kickoff, field punts etc. That is all margin stuff that Campbell has harped on (especially 2 years ago) but has never lived up to expectation.

 

[convoluteme]

Now that I've calmed down, I am encouraged by the defensive performance by our guys. What is all of this hype surrounding Goodson for Iowa? He looked slow and was ineffective all day. Their backup looked quick and lively, but also had the fumble that ended up getting overturned. Hot take: Iowa will have a let down game or two due to their offense. ISU will be ok moving forward.

ISU might be the best defense they see all year.

The same is true for our offense vs Iowa's defense. SP+ has the Iowa defense at #1 in the nation.

 

[CloneIce]

I really think it was because we didn't try to block the punt out of the end zone. I just always assumed when a team is kicking out of the endzone you go for the block.

We don’t go for the block because we need all our blockers back to block for the Fair Catch.

 

[CloneIce]

This is why I wish the media wouldn't run with all these win in the margin stories. Makes Campbell look really bad when ironically this is how most of our losses over the last 2-3 years have gone down. You don't win in the margins when your ST play is marginal at best. I am never confident when our guys line up to punt, kick FGs, XPs, kickoff, field punts etc. That is all margin stuff that Campbell has harped on (especially 2 years ago) but has never lived up to expectation.

Bingo. We’ve won because of players and culture and a great defensive scheme. The little details have actually been our Achilles heel (other than on D where we have always been sound).

 

[WhoISthis]

Everything that happens in the program is a CMC issue good and bad. He brought back Manning, he's getting what he's paid for 2 times. And the issue isn't the playcalling.

Three times Purdy threw intereceptions - 2 were through the hands of his receivers and another was a bad physical mistake on an underthrown ball. None of them had any significant pressure. Hall gives up a scoop and score by having extremely poor ball security deep in our own territory. None of that has anything to do with playcalling. It has everything to do with preparation and execution and that always, always, always falls on the head coach.

Everything falls on the HC.
Including having an OC that doesn’t get execution from his offensive and personnel. CMC was the OC in 2018, results similar. He needs his Heacock on offense.

ST is even more on CMC given we don’t have a designated ST coordinator. We’ve conceded that part for years, which is a huge red flag this staff isn’t great at what they want to be- ball control.

 

[WhoISthis]

Bingo. We’ve won because of players and culture and a great defensive scheme. The little details have actually been our Achilles heel (other than on D where we have always been sound).

We’ll said.

We don’t win the margins, we win the culture. A lot of overlap, but not the same.

UNI and Iowa have the same culture. In these pillow fights they stand to win the margins, outside of UNI needing their QB to take chances against our defense. They aren’t going to quit or make a bunch of preparational mistakes.

 

[Clark]

Now that I've calmed down, I am encouraged by the defensive performance by our guys. What is all of this hype surrounding Goodson for Iowa? He looked slow and was ineffective all day. Their backup looked quick and lively, but also had the fumble that ended up getting overturned. Hot take: Iowa will have a let down game or two due to their offense. ISU will be ok moving forward.

Your ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth is astonishing. The first two sentences are absolutely incredible. Top level stuff, bravo.

I could be going out on a limb here but stay with me...Goodson might have had a tough day because the ISU defense played so well that you're encouraged.

Silly thought I know.

 

[Land Grant]

Two of the three INTs were on tipped balls. That is 100% luck - you can't control where the ball is deflected - but they did a great job capitalizing on it. The first INT was a great play by the DB. Yes, maybe a hold, but not so egregious to say it significantly contributed. The receiver had a step or two but simply outran Brock's arm so the DB ended up in better position.

The fumble looked like a freak play. It didn't look to me like the defender was even trying to strip/punch the ball, just wrapping up and the ball popped out. And, of course, it bounced right into a pursuing LB's gut with a clear path to the end zone.

Not 100%. You might not control where the ball is deflected to, but do you have say about whether a deflection happens. And since they happened multiple times it's not a fluke. Linemen need to work on technique to keep rushers' hands down. More so, Purdy must read the field and adjust. He had the time to do so.

 

[WhoISthis]

Not 100%. You might not control where the ball is deflected to, but do you have say about whether a deflection happens. And since they happened multiple times it's not a fluke. Linemen need to work on technique to keep rushers' hands down. More so, Purdy must read the field and adjust. He had the time to do so.

Mostly luck on where it lands imo, which was what he’s saying.

Purdy is short, has inconsistent feet, slow in reads/anticipation, and will often telegraph. He had time. When you have time, you’re going to face DL that are getting hands up. Just a bad combo.

DCs have a ton of tape him. For the aforementioned reasons, Purdy in the pocket is the preferred outcome for a defense. He’s not Mayfield, but a similar cost-benefit for defenses. Manning should know this. The fact he’s become that isn’t luck, other than bad luck we have Manning

 

[ozzie8]

Now that I’ve calmed down…I can let the anger build up again.

Campbell will be kicking himself for years, how Iowa State lost that game

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Your ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth is astonishing. The first two sentences are absolutely incredible. Top level stuff, bravo.

I could be going out on a limb here but stay with me...Goodson might have had a tough day because the ISU defense played so well that you're encouraged.

Silly thought I know.

Just enjoyed that it threw some water on the Goodson is better than Breece crowd is all.

 

[ZRF]

The difference in field position was almost entirely due to the difference in punters, and our abysmal punt return unit. Their punter was incredible, and ours was below average.

Even though our defense drastically outplayed Iowa's offense, we still ended up starting almost every drive within our own 20. I'd love to see someone with access to all the analytics show the average starting field position for both teams; I'd guess that we were around our own 20, and they were probably around the 50. Our offense was able to move the ball, when Brock wasn't busy throwing it to the other team.

Our scoring drives tended to be the drives where we started at the 25+.

When we're on our own 10 yard line, our team plays scared and doesn't try to push the ball down the field. We were on our 10 it felt like half the drives.

This.

People want to bring up the turnovers but Iowa gained 120-150 yards in field position due to superior punting, kicking, coverage, and an absence of mistakes. 70-100 yards MINIMUM in punting the ball inside the 10 without touchbacks or returns. Miltons gaffe on the returnable punt cost us another 20-25 yards. Our 20 yard punt shank was 20. Poor coverage on the one return was 25. Then you add in the turnovers that gave them a TD, and starting position at our 25 and Iowa was starting inside of our 50 almost the entire game.

I thought the keys coming in were 1) not getting blown up at the line of scrimmage 2) Special Teams 3) Turnovers. I had them in that order not just based on importance but the likelihood of each affecting the game. We did a really good job, especially defensively on #1 but #2 and #3 single handedly gave Iowa several easy scores.

 

[CYdTracked]

The offense as a whole needs to do some soul searching before the next game and figure this out. Both the coaching staff and players need to take accountability and make some adjustments to get this unit rolling again because so far they and special teams have not done the defense any favors. Our defensive unit looks like it is going to be elite and may be the best in school history but the offense and punt team can't be putting them in the position of defending a short field after turnovers or poor punt or coverage. When your defense hold UNI to 10 points and 275 yards it should not be a game that goes down to the last possession. When you hold a top 10 Iowa team to just 173 yards while gaining 339 yourself you should not lose by 10. This is an execution problem because we know the talent and experience is there. Can't expect the defense to provide the offense too. This nearly same set of players on offense last year scored 30+ in 8 of its 12 games last season so there is no excuse why they should look this lost and out of sync as they have been so far.

 

[BCClone]

The offense as a whole needs to do some soul searching before the next game and figure this out. Both the coaching staff and players need to take accountability and make some adjustments to get this unit rolling again because so far they and special teams have not done the defense any favors. Our defensive unit looks like it is going to be elite and may be the best in school history but the offense and punt team can't be putting them in the position of defending a short field after turnovers or poor punt or coverage. When your defense hold UNI to 10 points and 275 yards it should not be a game that goes down to the last possession. When you hold a top 10 Iowa team to just 173 yards while gaining 339 yourself you should not lose by 10. This is an execution problem because we know the talent and experience is there. Can't expect the defense to provide the offense too. This nearly same set of players on offense last year scored 30+ in 8 of its 12 games last season so there is no excuse why they should look this lost and out of sync as they have been so far.

Agree.

I will also point out that one hawkeye fan that texted me about the yards, I didn't even bring it up, and tried to defend it. He said that due to turnovers with short fields, that Iowa didn't get the opportunity to get yards. My question was, why didnt you score 4-5 touchdowns then and settle for punts and field goals so much. If it wasn't for the turnovers, they would have had the same yards and less points.

 

[ashmore]

"Fact of the matter is" that we turned the ball over 4 times. Stats below...

Total yards: Us 339 to their 173
Passing yards: Us 252 to their 106
Rushing yards: Us 87 to their 67
Yards per play: Us 4.9 to their 2.9
First downs: Us 21 to their 11

FUMBLES LOST: Us 1 to their 0
INTERCEPTIONS THROWN: Us 3 to their 0

That was the problem. Not play calling.

Don’t forget return yardage.

"Fact of the matter is" that we turned the ball over 4 times. Stats below...

Total yards: Us 339 to their 173
Passing yards: Us 252 to their 106
Rushing yards: Us 87 to their 67
Yards per play: Us 4.9 to their 2.9
First downs: Us 21 to their 11

FUMBLES LOST: Us 1 to their 0
INTERCEPTIONS THROWN: Us 3 to their 0

That was the problem. Not play calling.

Your missing some yards

Iowa/ISU
Fumble return 5/0
Int return 47/0
Punt return 53/11
KO return 44/0 (probably only resulted in +15 TDs or so)

total return yardage for Iowa 105 excluding KOs
total return radar for ISU 11, excluding KOs- Iowa blasted 6 touchbacks.

another reason yardage # are tough to stomach, and I find no solace in - 135 of the yards occurred in the final 6 minute when it was 27-10 and Iowawas deep, deep into a prevent defense mode.

no good way to spin this. Their D is elite, I think ours is too. Their STs are elite, ours are not. Our offense is above average,theirs will end up beig about the same once their young OLine gets some sea legs.

the more I think about, the more I want to forget. They kicked our ass

 

[BCClone]

Don’t forget return yardage.

Your missing some yards

Iowa/ISU
Fumble return 5/0
Int return 47/0
Punt return 53/11
KO return 44/0 (probably only resulted in +15 TDs or so)

total return yardage for Iowa 105 excluding KOs
total return radar for ISU 11, excluding KOs- Iowa blasted 6 touchbacks.

another reason yardage # are tough to stomach, and I find no solace in - 135 of the yards occurred in the final 6 minute when it was 27-10 and Iowawas deep, deep into a prevent defense mode.

no good way to spin this. Their D is elite, I think ours is too. Their STs are elite, ours are not. Our offense is above average,theirs will end up beig about the same once their young OLine gets some sea legs.

the more I think about, the more I want to forget. They kicked our ass

Only a dunce or a troll would eliminate parts or a game. Hey how about we eliminate the parts of the game between our first two scores! Hey, WE WIN!!. What a deal! that is amazing.