You my friend would be fired by CMC immediately if on staff and said that in my humble opinion. No meanness intended.
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You my friend would be fired by CMC immediately if on staff and said that in my humble opinion. No meanness intended.
Good thing I’m a fan. I’ve seen enough **** over the years. Wins are all I care about
It's the date. Not the destination or match up.
Maybe it's a little bit the destination.
Who cares? We’re all fans, not potential football staff members. Many of us can objectively realize Clemson would likely dominate us and it would most certainly be a loss. Nothing wrong with hoping we get someone we more likely can beat.You my friend would be fired by CMC immediately if on staff and said that in my humble opinion. No meanness intended.
I kind of hope to play Clemson.
They're down. We're still a veteran club with something left to prove.
Beating one of the biggest names in the sport would be a nice way for the crew to go out.
One of my best friends is a professor at Clemson. Need me some permanent bragging rights.
They're down. We're still a veteran club with something left to prove.
Beating one of the biggest names in the sport would be a nice way for the crew to go out.
One of my best friends is a professor at Clemson. Need me some permanent bragging rights.
Essentially they are tied but Clemson has a slight edge IMO due to the fact that they never fall out of the top 40 in any rating. Essentially even what they are "bad" at they are still in t he top third of collegeiate football teams. Okie State has two categories - three if you want to break down turnvoers into separate categories - where they are among the bottom in college football. Okie State has one of the absolute worst red zone defenses in the game coming in at 104th. Clemson's red zone defense is 2nd. That by far is the biggest and primary separator. Clemson has given up a few more yards, but they give up less points and take the ball away at a higher level while Okie State creates more TFL's and Sacks. Clemson also has a better passing effeciency defense - which is where Brock excels.
Essentially, there are areas where Oklahoma State is slightly better than Clemson, yes. The only difference between the two is that Clemson never drops out of the top 40 in anything - while Oklahome State is one of the weaker teams in terms of take aways and red zone defense not that Clemson is great at forcing turnovers.
Basically both are great defenses - its just Clemson has fewer "weaknesses" and that's probably the wrong term for Oklahoma State's defense. Clemson does everything well or in the upper third of college football teams where there are 2 or three areas that Okie State does not.
Red Zone Defense - Clemson #2, Oklahoma State #104th
Scoring Defense, Clemson #2 - Okie State #5
Fumbles Recovered - Clemson #32, Okie State # 69th
Passes Interception - Clemson #40, Okie State #86th
Team Passing Effeciency Defense - Clemson is ranked #6th, Okie State is 10th
Offensive touchdowns allowed - Clemson by 1
Total Touchdowns allowed - Clemson by 1
Yards Per Play - Clemson at 4.44 over Okie Stat at 4.46
Turnovers Gained - Clemson #37, Okie State #88th
Rush TD's Allowed - Clemson has given up 7, Oklahoma State 9
1st Downs Allowed Defense - Okie State #5th, Clemson #21st
3rd Down Percentage - Okie State 1st, Clemson #23rd
4th Down Percentage - Okie State 7th, Clemson #39th
Sacks - Okie State is 1st, Clemson is 5th
Tackles for Loss - Okie State is 1st, Clemson is 10th
Yards Per Game - Okie State gives up 281, Clemson 308
Total Defense - Okie State is #3, Clemson is #9
Rushing Defense - Okie State is #6, Clemson is #9
Yards Per Rush - Okie State 2.81, Clemson 2.83
Passing Defense - Okie State is 12th, Clemson is 36th
Passing TD's - Oklahoma State has allowed 9, Clemson has allowed 10
Essentially, both have been very good and elite defenses all season. Its splitting hairs for the most part with the exception that there is no category that Clemson falls out of the top 40. There are two that Oklahoma State does, with one being amongst the worst in all of college football shockingly in terms of red zone defense.
Basically its like playing Okie State but they give up fewer touchdowns overall and a lot less points in the red zone while taking the ball away slightly better while giving up a few more yards and first downs.
Again, it really is apples to apples. Not much separation. Clemson IMO is just a little bit better because of the scoring defense, red zone defense and an ability to take the ball away. But as always that is simply an opnion. Okie State's defense is certianly very very good and easily one of the better defenses in the country. They just are really bad in the red zone and at taking the ball away. Clemson doesn't have a category where they are really bad and that is way in a very close call, they are a half step better than Okie State
Great points. So why are we afraid of Clemson again?
Another reason why I want to play Clemson is because we taught them our 3-3-5 defense so it'd be cool to go up their version of it
Afraid? Never said I was afraid. Only ever said I wasn't going to be looking to play them. I also don't know why North Carolina State is viewed as some unworthy oponoent given that they are ranked higher and beat Clemson in the head to head... or Pittsburg if for some reason we had Pittsburg. I'd love to play the ACC regular season champion....
Clemson worries me because they are good at the things Okie State is not. Okie State is better at some things than Clemson but Clemson is not exactly bad at those things either. That's the only separation.
We were able to beat Okie State largely because Brock had a great game passing, and we scored touchdowns int he red zone and he was incredibly effecient with the ball... Clemson statistically, at least, allows quarterbacks less passing effencincy and is more stingy in the redzone. We have struggled to finish drives at times this year, yes? So a team that struggles at times to score touchdowns at the end of drives facing the nation's 2nd best defense at not allowing touchdowns? That's not a strength on strength matchup. That is my primary concern....
when we have won without running the ball well - we have won because Brock is very effecient most games. Clemson - again, statistically, is somewhere between Iowa at #3 and Okie State at #10 with Clemson at #6.
So against a defense that on paper gives quarterbacks more problems and is harder to score touchdowns against, especially in the red zone - while being difficult to run the ball against in its own right - that's my concern. Fear? No. Because there's nothing to fear, it'd be a great opportunity.
I've always cautioned against one - calling for Clemson like they were an easy team and not that good. That's a false narrative spread by SEC types all season and two...
I don't see beating Clemson has that much more impressive than potentially beating Pitt or NC State. Sure, Clemson has been more in the national spot light before this season but Trevor Lawrence, Etienne, and all them are gone. Pitt and Clemson both beat them - largely due to having NFL quality quarterback play. I don't want North Texas - but I'm perfectly fine with Pittsburg, NC State or Clemson. I'm just not going to pretend like I'm going to be thrilled is all if I see Clemson and all they're guys are playing. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think its a good matchup. And that's generally what bowl games come down to - the matchup.
Yeah Clemson is talented. So is Oklahoma, Texas, and Oregon. So is Iowa State. Oklahoma St. is ranked #5 and a good shot at the playoffs. We beat them. We can beat Clemson this year.
You keep talking about NC State and how they beat Clemson and how it would be better for us since they or Pitt are ranked higher.
Ok so then if that’s your point why is playing Clemson so scary?
Side note I know why because they are still the most talented team and would likely beat either team in the ACC Championship this weekend now that they are peaking. Hell they just waxed Wake Forest.
You can’t have it both ways and state that beating NC State would actually be better since they beat Clemson and are ranked higher so we would get better recognition for that win and then turn around and go against the grain to those saying beating Clemson would absolutely turn more eyes than beating ANYONE else in the ACC while claiming Clemson would destroy us. So that makes Clemson the better team to try and get a win over if we want some big recognition for a win this bowl season.
Quick scenario. Someone says they will give you $100,000 and all you have to do is pick who wins a game right now between NC State and Clemson. I bet you don’t put your chips on NC State.
If we play Clemson it’s going to be a game a lot like Notre Dame was. Clemson is hitting their stride and are not a team anyone should want to play right now. I’d rather play a team that’s not loaded with talent, has a great team culture and is firing on on cylinders.
Best teams to play are big name teams that are overrated, not severely underrated
Best teams to play are big name teams that are overrated, not severely underrated
I mean I’m fine with playing them at full strength. I’m not the one being a little sister about it. They play in the ACC and aren’t even in the championship game this year. Iowa State was pre season 6 and a potential playoff team to start the season. Both under performed and I think would be a great game. I’d love for this class to go out beating Clemson.
