Official Announcement of TJ as the New Iowa State Mens BBall Coach

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i didn't like the hiring process.

let be honest, it was "the buddy" hire and we'll see if we can maintain it.

This season is a for sure shocker.
 

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i didn't like the hiring process.

let be honest, it was "the buddy" hire and we'll see if we can maintain it.

This season is a for sure shocker.
The Fred and Campbell hires were very similar, yet weren't labeled as "buddy hires". Buddy or not, it is how JP has operated the past few coaching searches.
 
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The Fred and Campbell hires were very similar, yet weren't labeled as "buddy hires". Buddy or not, it is how JP has operated the past few coaching searches.

Fred, yes to an extent.

JP had a very good relationship with TJ b/c of Fred.

Campbell and JP weren't necessarily "buddies". I'm sure they knew of each other.
 
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i didn't like the hiring process.

let be honest, it was "the buddy" hire and we'll see if we can maintain it.

This season is a for sure shocker.

Ranking the Pollard hires for football and MBB...

Campbell
TJO
Hoiberg
Rhoads

McDermott
Prohm
Chizik


I colored red the ones where Pollard went and "got his man." He was various levels of buds with the ones in red -- TJ more than anybody -- but those all involved Pollard moving quickly.

I colored blue the ones where Pollard followed a multiparty "process."

You might quibble with some of those rankings... e.g., was Campbell a better hire than TJO or Hoiberg... but I don't think there would be many serious arguments the last two were the worst.

Turns out Jamie does better when he knows who he wants and goes and gets him.

Certainly worked for TJO without some "process."
 

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Ranking the Pollard hires for football and MBB...

Campbell
TJO
Hoiberg
Rhoads

McDermott
Prohm
Chizik


I colored red the ones where Pollard went and "got his man." He was various levels of buds with the ones in red -- TJ more than anybody -- but those all involved Pollard moving quickly.

I colored blue the ones where Pollard followed a multiparty "process."

You might quibble with some of those rankings... e.g., was Campbell a better hire than TJO or Hoiberg... but I don't think there would be many serious arguments the last two were the worst.

Turns out Jamie does better when he knows who he wants and goes and gets him.

Certainly worked for TJO without some "process."

I would only put Prohm ahead of McDermott. Old Mc never went above .500. Kind of sad really. I get that Prohm's best years were with Hoiberg's players, but at least we got back to the tournament after our first down year. Then the wheels came off.
 

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I would only put Prohm ahead of McDermott. Old Mc never went above .500. Kind of sad really. I get that Prohm's best years were with Hoiberg's players, but at least we got back to the tournament after our first down year. Then the wheels came off.

This is a reasonable argument. But even if you finish the list up as...

Prohm
McDermott
Chizik

...then the red team is still beating the stuffing out of the blue one on the quality of hires.

Pollard has had three true "hits" -- Campbell, Fred, and TJ -- and all of those were him zeroing in on one man with which he had a good relationship and just going and making it happen.

Seems Pollard is at his best when going for the kill, not when following open-ended processes.
 

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Definitely a good choice for someone who can come in and hit the ground running in retaining our recruits and players, and to jump on the recruiting trail to fill out the roster. Hopefully he can bring an exciting brand of basketball and get Hilton back to where it should be.

I'm just here to gather my requisite amount of smugness
 

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Fred, yes to an extent.

JP had a very good relationship with TJ b/c of Fred.

Campbell and JP weren't necessarily "buddies". I'm sure they knew of each other.

How extensive were both searches?

CMC had been pretty good at Toledo although maybe just a little better than their history, and Fred had no coaching experience.

I'll stay on the '3 year window' for TJ still as it is about the longevity. At least a foundation is being set which is a good start.
 

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I would only put Prohm ahead of McDermott. Old Mc never went above .500. Kind of sad really. I get that Prohm's best years were with Hoiberg's players, but at least we got back to the tournament after our first down year. Then the wheels came off.
Take a look at the situations each inherited. Steve Prohm isn’t qualified to hold McDermotts jock.
 

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How extensive were both searches?

CMC had been pretty good at Toledo although maybe just a little better than their history, and Fred had no coaching experience.

I'll stay on the '3 year window' for TJ still as it is about the longevity. At least a foundation is being set which is a good start.

It is my understanding that something like this happened with Campbell --

-- Pollard fired Rhoads a week early to get a "head start" on the hunt for the next man.
-- Pollard flew to Toledo -- uninvited, without a meeting set -- and insisted on seeing Campbell.
-- Campbell and Pollard met for a number of hours, and then Pollard met with Matt and his wife.
-- The Campbell family deliberated it and... Matt called Pollard back and accepted.

Pollard went and got his man. There wasn't a Plan B. He was making it happen.

Take a look at the situations each inherited. Steve Prohm isn’t qualified to hold McDermotts jock.

Prohm also left Tyrese Hunter behind for the next guy. I suppose you can give McDermott some credit for leaving Melvin Ejim behind, but freshman Hunter has been way better than freshman Ejim and the reason Ejim stuck with Iowa State was because of TJ, and TJ got Hunter to stick with ISU, too.
 
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How extensive were both searches?

CMC had been pretty good at Toledo although maybe just a little better than their history, and Fred had no coaching experience.

I'll stay on the '3 year window' for TJ still as it is about the longevity. At least a foundation is being set which is a good start.

There’s no need for that. We know that TJ is an elite recruiter and will bring in players that will play at a high level. We may have off season’s but it won’t be for a lack of talent and effort. That is all that can be asked. You throw that out there and hope you get the good bounces and the good calls. Everything else is up to the basketball gods.

Everything starts and ends with recruiting in CBB.
 
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Ranking the Pollard hires for football and MBB...

Campbell
TJO
Hoiberg
Rhoads

McDermott
Prohm
Chizik


I colored red the ones where Pollard went and "got his man." He was various levels of buds with the ones in red -- TJ more than anybody -- but those all involved Pollard moving quickly.

I colored blue the ones where Pollard followed a multiparty "process."

You might quibble with some of those rankings... e.g., was Campbell a better hire than TJO or Hoiberg... but I don't think there would be many serious arguments the last two were the worst.

Turns out Jamie does better when he knows who he wants and goes and gets him.

Certainly worked for TJO without some "process."
You're absolutely insane if you rank TJ ahead of Hoiberg at this point in time