NET Rankings are Flawed

[CycloneDaddy]

Houston going to be 1 and 4 in Quad 1 after Memphis gets done slapping them around today.

 

[dahliaclone]

I wouldn't worry too much about that site's bracket. Their resume comparison tool is useful, but with that bracket, they're not trying to predict what the committee will do; they're showing what the bracket would look like if it was based entirely on NET.

I know...it's just kind of useless other than the comparison tool.

 

[dahliaclone]

Houston going to be 1 and 4 in Quad 1 after Memphis gets done slapping them around today.

And that one Q1 win is over Oklahoma State.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

oof

 

[CyJack13]

oof

I don’t see how you have the B10 over the Big East or PAC 12. I don’t even think it’s all that close.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

I don’t see how you have the B10 over the Big East or PAC 12. I don’t even think it’s all that close.

Unjustifiable to have them ranked where they are in the AP Poll. Every single year in both football and basketball.

 

[BryceC]

Just another friendly reminder that if we were still using RPI, we'd be 65th and probably out of the tourney. So things could be a lot worse.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Just another friendly reminder that if we were still using RPI, we'd be 65th and probably out of the tourney. So things could be a lot worse.

LOL no we wouldn't.

 

[BryceC]

LOL no we wouldn't.

Back when RPI was the only real rating service, the highest RPI team ever selected was #74. Second highest was #70, then 67, then 64. We'd probably be first 4 at best as we'd have one of the lowest RPI's ever selected as an at large.

Edit: Corrected

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Back when RPI was the only real rating service, the highest RPI team ever selected was #74. Second highest was #70, then 67, then 64. We'd probably be first 4 at best as we'd have one of the lowest RPI's ever selected as an at large.

Edit: Corrected

Jesus, look at our resume. We would have been firmly in even if RPI was still used. It's been interesting to watch because the metrics don't care for what is unanimously the toughest conference in the country. Look at the drop off after 4th place. The weight offensive efficiency carries would be fine but top to bottom the Big 12 defenses are really really good.

 

[VeloClone]

Jesus, look at our resume. We would have been firmly in even if RPI was still used. It's been interesting to watch because the metrics don't care for what is unanimously the toughest conference in the country. Look at the drop off after 4th place. The weight offensive efficiency carries would be fine but top to bottom the Big 12 defenses are really really good.

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It is pretty amazing that the entire league was 64-1 in Q4 and 25-2 in Q3 for a combined 89-3. That is a huge dearth of bad losses in the entire league.

As a league again the Big 12 is 46-23 (.667) in Q2 and 60-86 in Q1. And how many of those losses came in league play?

 

[BryceC]

Jesus, look at our resume. We would have been firmly in even if RPI was still used. It's been interesting to watch because the metrics don't care for what is unanimously the toughest conference in the country. Look at the drop off after 4th place. The weight offensive efficiency carries would be fine but top to bottom the Big 12 defenses are really really good.

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Again, per RPI we would have been the 4th highest rated RPI team to ever get an at large before the new metrics started taking hold. If you think that is meaningless, well okay.

 

[PSYclone22]

I don’t see how you have the B10 over the Big East or PAC 12. I don’t even think it’s all that close.

Unjustifiable to have them ranked where they are in the AP Poll. Every single year in both football and basketball.

According to KenPom the Big Ten is better than the Big East and the Pac-12

It's not a Big Ten bias when the data indicates they are better

 

[Clyde4cy]

Again, per RPI we would have been the 4th highest rated RPI team to ever get an at large before the new metrics started taking hold. If you think that is meaningless, well okay.

The RPI forces a tournament team to avoid playing sub 250 buy games.

 

[dahliaclone]

Just another friendly reminder that if we were still using RPI, we'd be 65th and probably out of the tourney. So things could be a lot worse.

Now who's cherry picking?

Again, per RPI we would have been the 4th highest rated RPI team to ever get an at large before the new metrics started taking hold. If you think that is meaningless, well okay.

Just a friendly reminder if the NCAA Tournament was still 32 teams, we wouldn't have gotten a bid. Whew. Thank god that doesn't matter anymore just like RPI.

 

[AuH2O]

I don’t see how you have the B10 over the Big East or PAC 12. I don’t even think it’s all that close.

You think the PAC 12 is better than the Big 10? PAC 12 is really bad. Big 10 is clearly better than the PAC.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Again, per RPI we would have been the 4th highest rated RPI team to ever get an at large before the new metrics started taking hold. If you think that is meaningless, well okay.

Again, the metrics aren't telling the full story this year. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The RPI forces a tournament team to avoid playing sub 250 buy games.

Exactly! Teams have figured out that you don't have to play the scheduling numbers game with NET like you did with RPI. Just blow out a bunch of bad teams and you are golden.

 

[BryceC]

Again, the metrics aren't telling the full story this year. It's not that hard to understand.

I'm apparently doing an incredibly bad job explaining my thoughts here. If it were 2010, and the RPI reigned supreme, we'd be a bubble team at best.

This year, when it's utterly meaningless, we're a lock for the tourney.

So while NET has it's flaws, it's clearly better than what we had before.

 

[RonBurgundy]

Jesus, look at our resume. We would have been firmly in even if RPI was still used. It's been interesting to watch because the metrics don't care for what is unanimously the toughest conference in the country. Look at the drop off after 4th place. The weight offensive efficiency carries would be fine but top to bottom the Big 12 defenses are really really good.

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Hopefully, the Big 12 defense(s) shows up in the tournament. Several teams could make a nice run.