MFF

[buf87]

Seeding guys that MFF out of tournaments is tough.
Questions are
1. Will they be healthy enough to uphold their high seed?
2. If you drop their seed because of a loss, the opponent might be getting screwed getting a lot tougher match then they were suppose to, if he is healthy.

 

[JohnPrineforCy]

I think I read this on twitter, and I thought it was a good idea. If you MFF in the conference tournament you can't earn team points for you team at NCAA's.

 

[BCClone]

I think I read this on twitter, and I thought it was a good idea. If you MFF in the conference tournament you can't earn team points for you team at NCAA's.

I don't care for that since, someone could heal decently in a week and half if they jacked up their back or something. I think it needs to go down as a loss, same as an injury default. If they are too injured to wrestle then you are technically injury defaulting. Stop the gaming of the system. For the prior tournaments that were mentioned, you have two options, you can injury default out of them and take losses, our MFF and all your team points are erased for that tournament. It would be an easy decision for those early tournaments.

 

[ISU22CY]

If someone is injured that's what the whole MFF was for. "Dinged up" is zero excuse to use it. At this point everyone is dinged up that's the sport.

I look at it this way if you MFF out that's fine all scored points are then taken away and it counts as an L towards your record. Will that change anything that happened regarding Iowa? No it won't.

It just irks me how we have to listen to so many Iowa "blow...i mean diehards" chirp about other teams not doing any action, stalling this stalling that, tough wrestling, blah blah blah. Sorry but I'll take a kid willing to step out on the mat and stall over someone wanting to play the big bad toughy then not step on the mat at all.

Detroit is going to be a bad bad crowd towards all Iowa guys..sorry but when you want to walk, talk and puff like a wolf then run away like a lamb don't expect anyone to give you any breaks.

 

[cytor]

I'm not sure what a good solution is here, but the MFF does need to punish the team to the point that it won't be a good idea to consider doing it anymore.

If it is noticeably legit, so be it. The other wresters that are not hurt... the team needs to suffer. Wrestling is an awesome sport and this behavior isn't helping.

 

[GMackey32]

Excuses are for wusses**

**And for my team to MFF out of matches once they are out of the team race

 

[GMackey32]

Everyone is dinged up at this point. If you MFF out, it needs to be a loss.

 

[BCClone]

If someone is injured that's what the whole MFF was for. "Dinged up" is zero excuse to use it. At this point everyone is dinged up that's the sport.

I look at it this way if you MFF out that's fine all scored points are then taken away and it counts as an L towards your record. Will that change anything that happened regarding Iowa? No it won't.

It just irks me how we have to listen to so many Iowa "blow...i mean diehards" chirp about other teams not doing any action, stalling this stalling that, tough wrestling, blah blah blah. Sorry but I'll take a kid willing to step out on the mat and stall over someone wanting to play the big bad toughy then not step on the mat at all.

Detroit is going to be a bad bad crowd towards all Iowa guys..sorry but when you want to walk, talk and puff like a wolf then run away like a lamb don't expect anyone to give you any breaks.

Put a two week mandatory heal on MFFs then. If you are too injured to wrestle and injury default, then you need two weeks to heal up.

 

[Bucklara]

There have been some wild opinions on MFF in conference tournaments. Like, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete at NCAA or score any points for their team. If they earned the allocation during the year and secured their spot at the conference tournament, what can you do? Suggesting that these kids shouldn’t be allowed to compete at NCAA is ridiculous, IMO.
Maybe count the L’s towards their W-L as normal losses. I’ve heard MFF are treated differently. It sucks for wrestling as a whole that this happened to some potentially great finals.

 

[crablegs]

There is a pretty simple solution to this. Get rid of conference tournaments. Hear me out. My solution also makes the regular season more important, which people also like to complain about.

The guys are already doing enough to qualify throughout the year. When you think about it, it is strange that the wrestlers earn only an allocation for their conference, but is just a carryover of the reliance on conference tournaments for qualifying from the past. So wrestler A can wrestle all season with a good enough win percentage and ranking, and someone who sat out all year can just come and take the spot they earned based on an upset or bad draw at conferences. It’s nonsense.

So, what we need to do is keep the same qualifying criteria. However, instead of earning an allocation, the wrestler qualifies for NCAA through their body of work. Keep it to 29 AQ spots.

Then, each team that didn’t qualify has an opportunity to enter a last chance qualifier tournament. Each team submits an entrant at each weight and the non qualifying wrestlers are ranked. The top 16 ranked wrestlers enter this last chance tournament and the top 4 qualify with a true 4th match to be wrestled. There would be no minimum match requirement to be included in this top 16. The winner of this tournament automatically gets the 11th seed at NCAAs. This is an incentive not to forfeit the finals. The 11th seed is a good spot for an otherwise unseeded wrestler as it starts with the 22 and then the 6th and is on the opposite of the 1. 2nd through 4th at this tournament are the 33, 32, and 31.

An extra kicker is that this tournament is the weekend right before nationals. This will incentivize the regular season for guys to get match minimums and earn an AQ so they don’t have to participate in this event.


Why am I wrong?

 

[ISU22CY]

There is a pretty simple solution to this. Get rid of conference tournaments. Hear me out. My solution also makes the regular season more important, which people also like to complain about.

The guys are already doing enough to qualify throughout the year. When you think about it, it is strange that the wrestlers earn only an allocation for their conference, but is just a carryover of the reliance on conference tournaments for qualifying from the past. So wrestler A can wrestle all season with a good enough win percentage and ranking, and someone who sat out all year can just come and take the spot they earned based on an upset or bad draw at conferences. It’s nonsense.

So, what we need to do is keep the same qualifying criteria. However, instead of earning an allocation, the wrestler qualifies for NCAA through their body of work. Keep it to 29 AQ spots.

Then, each team that didn’t qualify has an opportunity to enter a last chance qualifier tournament. Each team submits an entrant at each weight and the non qualifying wrestlers are ranked. The top 16 ranked wrestlers enter this last chance tournament and the top 4 qualify with a true 4th match to be wrestled. There would be no minimum match requirement to be included in this top 16. The winner of this tournament automatically gets the 11th seed at NCAAs. This is an incentive not to forfeit the finals. The 11th seed is a good spot for an otherwise unseeded wrestler as it starts with the 22 and then the 6th and is on the opposite of the 1. 2nd through 4th at this tournament are the 33, 32, and 31.

An extra kicker is that this tournament is the weekend right before nationals. This will incentivize the regular season for guys to get match minimums and earn an AQ so they don’t have to participate in this event.


Why am I wrong?

The line of thinking isn't wrong by any means.

I do have a question say in regards to conference titles though...as I don't think that should go away and is something schools should be proud of getting. Do you treat it like basketball? But what about the case of Team A who only wrestles 5 teams from the Big12 and Team B who ends up wrestling 9 teams in the Big12?

 

[buf87]

Needs to be a loss, but not take away the points you already earned.

 

[buf87]

To compare a record/win %age of someone that wrestled the Big 10 schedule vs the So Con or MAC conference is the 1st mistake

 

[farm85]

Hoks=MFF'ers

 

[WhizzerClone]

There is a pretty simple solution to this. Get rid of conference tournaments. Hear me out. My solution also makes the regular season more important, which people also like to complain about.

The guys are already doing enough to qualify throughout the year. When you think about it, it is strange that the wrestlers earn only an allocation for their conference, but is just a carryover of the reliance on conference tournaments for qualifying from the past. So wrestler A can wrestle all season with a good enough win percentage and ranking, and someone who sat out all year can just come and take the spot they earned based on an upset or bad draw at conferences. It’s nonsense.

So, what we need to do is keep the same qualifying criteria. However, instead of earning an allocation, the wrestler qualifies for NCAA through their body of work. Keep it to 29 AQ spots.

Then, each team that didn’t qualify has an opportunity to enter a last chance qualifier tournament. Each team submits an entrant at each weight and the non qualifying wrestlers are ranked. The top 16 ranked wrestlers enter this last chance tournament and the top 4 qualify with a true 4th match to be wrestled. There would be no minimum match requirement to be included in this top 16. The winner of this tournament automatically gets the 11th seed at NCAAs. This is an incentive not to forfeit the finals. The 11th seed is a good spot for an otherwise unseeded wrestler as it starts with the 22 and then the 6th and is on the opposite of the 1. 2nd through 4th at this tournament are the 33, 32, and 31.

An extra kicker is that this tournament is the weekend right before nationals. This will incentivize the regular season for guys to get match minimums and earn an AQ so they don’t have to participate in this event.


Why am I wrong?

I like it, but also agree with Buf about comparison of schedules. No way they go away from conference tourneys anyway. They all want $$$

 

[DantheFan]

The line of thinking isn't wrong by any means.

I do have a question say in regards to conference titles though...as I don't think that should go away and is something schools should be proud of getting. Do you treat it like basketball? But what about the case of Team A who only wrestles 5 teams from the Big12 and Team B who ends up wrestling 9 teams in the Big12?

Turn the conference tournament into a dual tourney.

 

[buf87]

I would actually like 4 regional tournaments & take the top 8 of each tournament. No wild cards or allocations, but Big 10 would never agree to that

 

[JM4CY]

Turn the conference tournament into a dual tourney.

That would be epic.

 

[fcclone]

Seed the MFF so they have to immediately wrestle against the guy they were trying to avoid.

tongue in cheek.

 

[cytor]

Seed the MFF so they have to immediately wrestle against the guy they were trying to avoid.

tongue in cheek.

You know, I kinda like that.
You wanna avoid Gable Steveson? Well have fun opening round in 2 weeks. #losingsleep.