Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

[Trice]

so I assume they also said that Iowa State still has a chance if we can match?

I don't recall hearing that. Plenty of talk about how ISU is both disadvantaged and behind on the NIL front.

 

[Clonefan32]

The problem with this stance is their value is 100% conditional on people still watching. If people just stop watching their value is $0.

If we see schools poaching people not in the portal for money then this next season is likely my last supporting Iowa State financially. I’ll likely still watch but I’m not going to focus my life around it like I have. The thing is I’m a die hard fan. What about all of the casual fans that are going to lose interest. Why should they watch semi-pro sports when they could watch professional sports.

My stance on paying players has been and remains that no one should be prohibited from playing professionally. Looking at you NBA and NFL, but if you want to play college sports then you are agreeing to play amateur sports. If you want to do some true NIL stuff ok but you are signing up for college sports. The model we should look to is college baseball. You want to go pro go ahead but if you are coming to college your going to college.

I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone who says "well I'll just stop watching Iowa State" seriously. You aren't going to just stop watching. No one is going to just stop watching.

We've had teams with completely remade rosters for the last 5 years now and people have kept watching. Hell we just supported a team comprised almost solely of new transfers.

 

[mynameisjonas]

I don't recall hearing that. Plenty of talk about how ISU is both disadvantaged and behind on the NIL front.

I guess my point is that if he’s not giving ISU the chance to match, then it’s probably not about NIL.

 

[clonefreek]

He is gone ladies and gents. Hasnt talked to any schools yet but he is transferring for NIL money.

 

[isufbcurt]

Yeah...I've been saying we should be doing this since the NIL was implemented. We should have someone on staff who is just scouting mid-major teams and having boosters put out feelers to the best players that we identify. We aren't the bottom of the food chain just because there's a handful of programs above us, there's a whole lot more below us.

Name these big boosters ISU has. Because outside of a couple very obvious names, there aren't big boosters. There are donors who think they are big boosters but they aren't **** in the grand scheme of college athletic boosters.

 

[Cyclones1969]

No one was robbed. All the benefits these guys get as scholarship athletes should be enough. As someone who has experienced these benefits they were more than enough and things are even better now.

But they’re not.

When you were playing, none of what the current climate in college athletics was thought possible

 

[enisthemenace]

I guess my point is that if he’s not giving ISU the chance to match, then it’s probably not about NIL.

Just wait for the portal announcement. You’ll probably get a sense for the answer to this question when that comes out.

 

[cyfan92]

NIL is likely the biggest factor, but I'd guess D-Rob moving on and being on a team with an offensive identity that may not highlight your strengths for the next level probably played some role too.

I'm sure it doesn't help playing in our awful 2021/22 offense didn't help the situation. AM I wrong to think that was more of a 1 year blip and not TJ's true identity?



At SDSU, TJ ran a high tempo offense. We didn't have the dudes to run that last year though. If we land Basile or BVP. Tyrese could be lethal in the screen and roll.

 

[Clonefan32]

No one was robbed. All the benefits these guys get as scholarship athletes should be enough. As someone who has experienced these benefits they were more than enough and things are even better now.

I guess you have to explain to me the bolded when he is literally being offered $750,000 in addition to his benefits. It's been a while since high school economics, but isn't the best indicator of fair market value the value reached by a willing and able buyer and seller in an arms-length transaction?

I mean, imagine having this same logic in any other business in the world. If I go to my boss and say someone is willing to pay me 3x my current salary, I can't imagine my boss saying "oh no, what we pay you here should be enough." Screw that. They are offering me 3x that--that's what I'm worth.

I'd agree with you for 95% of players the value of an education and support services is ample compensation, and in many cases maybe outweighs their contributions. But for someone like Tyrese, the market dictates he is worth more and I don't know how you pretend that doesn't exist.

 

[isufbcurt]

But they’re not.

When you were playing, none of what the current climate in college athletics was thought possible

And we didn't feel we were being robbed. The day I got the scholarship was one of the proudest days of my life. Everything is ******* paid for, with excess money depending on your living situation. I've told the story before but I had enough excess money from the scholarship funds that I bought my first racecar with it.

 

[baagoe]

I guess my point is that if he’s not giving ISU the chance to match, then it’s probably not about NIL.

Or he knows ISU can’t match what he’s probably been hearing and that’s why he’s entering the portal

 

[Cyclones1969]

I don't recall hearing that. Plenty of talk about how ISU is both disadvantaged and behind on the NIL front.

The death knell for Iowa State started with realignment

The final nail was when we ended up in having no options but to stay in the big 12. Adding at least 2 teams that would be ahead of us in any pecking order was just icing.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Name these big boosters ISU has. Because outside of a couple very obvious names, there aren't big boosters. There are donors who think they are big boosters but they aren't **** in the grand scheme of college athletic boosters.

There's a reason we are 10th in the Big 12 in $$$ and it's because we don't have big boosters. We have maybe the weakest boosters overall of any P5 school.

 

[theshadow]

And we didn't feel we were being robbed. The day I got the scholarship was one of the proudest days of my life. Everything is ******* paid for, with excess money depending on your living situation. I've told the story before but I had enough excess money from the scholarship funds that I bought my first racecar with it.

And that was before the $3-5k annual "cost of attendance" bump (straight cash), and the $24k lump sum for good grades/graduation.

 

[isufbcurt]

I guess you have to explain to me the bolded when he is literally being offered $750,000 in addition to his benefits. It's been a while since high school economics, but isn't fair market value the value reached by a willing and able buyer and seller in an arms-length transaction?

I mean, imagine having this same logic in any other business in the world. If I go to my boss and say someone is willing to pay me 3x my current salary, I can't imagine my boss saying "oh no, what we pay you here should be enough." Screw that. They are offering me 3x that--that's what I'm worth.

I'd agree with you for 95% of players the value of an education and support services is ample compensation, and in many cases maybe outweighs their contributions. But for someone like Tyrese, the market dictates he is worth more and I don't know how you pretend that doesn't exist.

IMO the work comparisons vs college athletics are over used. Not even close to the same thing.

But to play your game, no college athlete should be getting paid while playing college athletics so there shouldn't be any value comparisons among college athletes. If that is what you are worried about then go Pro.

 

[Clonehomer]

Tyrese wasn't some schlub when he came here. He was a Top 40 recruit. I'd venture to guess if he'd gone elsewhere he'd still find himself in a similar position.

I also think it's funny to act like he didn't bring $750,000 worth of value back to the University/program.

He certainly was a top player when he came here. But did he have an offer from UNC then? Would he have gotten that offer if he had put just as much work in at the YMCA instead of at ISU?

Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Tyrese for leaving. It is the system that exists. What I'm arguing is that the system is BS that a school can take a player and develop them only to have someone else buy them up because they have a better shoe contract. If it's a professional league now, let's make it a professional league with multi-year contracts. That'll also protect the guys that these big schools kick to the curb when they don't pan out.

 

[3TrueFans]

And we didn't feel we were being robbed. The day I got the scholarship was one of the proudest days of my life. Everything is ******* paid for, with excess money depending on your living situation. I've told the story before but I had enough excess money from the scholarship funds that I bought my first racecar with it.

And if you had someone from another school offer you $500k+ to play football at another school you would have said no thank you and stayed at ISU because you already had enough, that's called principles, people.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

And we didn't feel we were being robbed. The day I got the scholarship was one of the proudest days of my life. Everything is ******* paid for, with excess money depending on your living situation. I've told the story before but I had enough excess money from the scholarship funds that I bought my first racecar with it.

If you're worth $750k somewhere else then getting a scholarship and a dorm room starts to feel like you're not being valued correctly.

 

[clonefreek]

There's a reason we are 10th in the Big 12 in $$$ and it's because we don't have big boosters. We have maybe the weakest boosters overall of any P5 school.

Fact, hell when we increase donation levels for parking or tickets people lose their minds.

 

[Clonehomer]

Of the few rules there are, one of them is no pay for participation. IE must play minimum minutes/years/games.

What about a business contracting a player for 4 years of mentions in a cyclone radio post game interview?