Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

[Daserop]

The rich get richer. The poor get poorer.

 

[IASTATE07]

I support it - I happily see all the ads that pop up and even click on some of them due to what they are offering (which ultimately leads more $ to CF). I, however, am not interested in getting recruiting news 2 days early for $130 per year. I have two elementary school kids that take a lot of time and $, so the podcasts, etc are not in my wheelhouse.

I remember it wasn't long ago that the admin and owners pounded the table that CF would never cost the users any $, so that is what I continue to use and believe. I have also never subscribed to CR or 247 either. I just don't need recruiting information that quickly so I can rush out and tell everyone that I know something they don't.

by the way, i never used the term 'significantly improve' - that is your words. I'm really happy that $11/mo is 'nothing' to you. You should therefore be first in line to ramp up our NIL efforts. It's nice to have heavy hitters like you, so please donate more so we are not at the bottom of the athletics donation list.

Things have definitely changed in regards to ads.

 

[TheHelgo]

It’s just proof we’re a cheap fan base and I fully expect to lose people due to NIL regularly until we get a Billionaire Sugar Daddy

I have found your Billionaire - ISUCyclones2015 seems to think money is easy to come by and everyone should be giving funds left and right because it is 'nothing' to do so.

 

[legi]

He is gone ladies and gents. Hasnt talked to any schools yet but he is transferring for NIL money.

Hasn’t talked to any schools yet? Unlikely. If not schools directly, then probably a middleman… which is basically the same.

 

[Halincandenza]

It sucks because he could turn out to be really good, but if he doesn't want to be at ISU then probably for the best. He was really good defensively and has a chance to be elite on that end but his offense still has a long way to go. They can find someone to be an adequate replacement. It will be interesting to see who targets him and how much he actually gets from any NIL deal. I don't blame the kid. Just too bad a big donor or local business couldn't put something together for him.

As far as NIL goes. Seems it would be easy for some people to set some stuff up for the players. I saw where KU players are doing a barnstorming event where they are going around the state and doing meet and greets and autographs and they keep like 75% of the ticket sales.

 

[CyJack13]

Take the moral argument out of it, and it's terrible for the college sports media industry. It's good for the players now in the short-term (say next 5-10 years), but college sports and college sports media is in a textbook massive bubble.

The problem is people are viewing NIL and the potential of a CFB superleague from the bottom-up. Is it good for players now? Of course. Is it good for the some of teams at the top right now? Yes. I just don't think it can last.

Look at it from the industry as a whole, then work your way down over the long-term. Attendance and viewership trends have not been good for college sports for years, yet TV media dollars have continued to grow, coach's salaries have exploded, and now with NIL you have what essentially is a new massive operating expense that does not generate new viewership. Between the schools paying directly or indirectly, having to pay admin costs to deal with it, or the diversion of donor dollars from AD operating budgets and capital projects directly to NIL, it's a massive new expense for athletic departments.

And the NIL-driven transfers are more likely to cost customers for the industry as a whole through increased roster turnover and lack of competitive balance. The superleague idea probably does the same. College sports are not competively balanced now. But there's just enough of at least the perception that "my team is in the club" that people watch. That illusion is powerful. When that's gone, it's going to cost the industry customers.

So basically with both of these moves you will have an industry that shrinks overall. That might still be OK for the teams at the top, as they will get a big increase in market share. But we don't really know how that will hold up in the long-term.

But this is textbook industry bubble stuff - Arms race and media race run up expenses that greatly outpace the growth of the customer base and its willigness to pay, have a massive new direct or indirect operating expense that the industry can't valorize (NIL), have the fight for market share drive decisions that shrink the industry as a whole.

This is a very ISU diehard specific point of view. College rosters turnover all the time, most casual fans (which is the vast majority of the viewing audience) can only name a few guys on each team. If anything, big names switching teams drives more attention to the sport. More people will watch South Carolina next year because they remember Rattler being a Heisman candidate at OU. College football has three of Clemson/Alabama/Ohio St/OU/Georgia in the playoffs every single year, every other school in the country is hoping for a chance at one spot, there's no competitive balance in college football, and there never has been. The increase in sports betting also drives more interest in the college game that will remain regardless of who is on each team.

 

[1100011CS]

Can we get a new thread where we discuss the rumors/whatever around Tyrese transferring and not a huge argument about NIL and transfer rules?

 

[Stormin]

Lol so you're against this because you didn't get paid. It was cool for you to have money to buy a race car but kids these days shouldn't get any more than that even if they are much, much more talented.

His race car money has nothing to do with any of this. He is an accountant and has told us he has wealthy in-laws. His education received as a benefit is instrumental in his success. And he has no student loans to pay.

 

[isufbcurt]

Lol so you're against this because you didn't get paid. It was cool for you to have money to buy a race car but kids these days shouldn't get any more than that even if they are much, much more talented.

I bought the racecar with my extra housing money. Which is an illustration that shows scholarship athletes already get everything taken care of and then have excess.

I'm not against it because I didn't get paid. Getting paid was the last thing I was thinking about, I just wanted to play football, hang out with my friends and have fun with girls.

If you are worried about getting paid just go pro.

If you want to play and enjoy college then play college.

 

[jsb]

Nobody should be surprised by this IMO. Tyrese basically told us all when he came to ISU that his plan was to be a one and done player here and then he was going to go pro and get his money. The only change in his plan was that he realized that his game is not quite ready yet to go pro, but he's still going to try to be a "one and done" at ISU and still go get his money however he has to do it.

And I don't blame him one bit. Tyrese has been through more in his life than 99.9% of could even comprehend. Who are we to say he shouldn't do what his best for him, and if he can go get enough money to help his family situation out he should go for it IMO. He's playing by the new rules.... and if you don't like the new rules, that's not Tyrese's fault.

I think greed is the #1 problem in the world, and if all of this greed (at all levels) going on in college athletics ends up destroying it..... so be it. Life's lessons are tough.

No he didn’t. I don’t recall any talk of one and done. Where did you see this?

 

[madguy30]

Can we get a new thread where we discuss the rumors/whatever around Tyrese transferring and not a huge argument about NIL and transfer rules?

It will turn into the same thing since it's all connected.

At this point I'm just hoping the send off he puts out there isn't a 'I'll be a Cyclone for life' message.

Just kindof annoying.

 

[heitclone]

Can we get a new thread where we discuss the rumors/whatever around Tyrese transferring and not a huge argument about NIL and transfer rules?

Just keep it here, the same argument will just get taken to every thread.

 

[AuH2O]

For cfb the coaches make more, the attendance is higher, and the players careers are on average longer. With the new media deals in place the money is also catching up to the NFL, players should get some of the billions the school are bringing in.

CFB is not catching up to the NFL as an industry a whole. Not even close. NFL is pulling away and the pace gets bigger all the time. The only reason attendance isn't a complete no-contest is because of stadium capacity and ticket price. The average NFL ticket price last year was like $470. The TV ratings for a mediocre NFL game is better than the best handful of CFB games all season.

Have you looked at how many college athletic departments run in the red? That was before they have the massive new expense/diversion of donations to NIL.

The idea that donors and boosters are going to pony up cash for NIL in addition to what they have been doing for AD operations and capital projects is silly. I'm sure some will pony up as needed, but a vast majority are going to donate money where it gets direct results, which is NIL. That means schools are going to have tighter AD budgets while expenses keep going up. I think college sports will be fine through the upcoming round of media contracts, but I think we're seeing a bubble that pops in the next 10 years or so. This is the next phase of the arms race. The facilities arms race was tough on almost all the schools, but they made it through because that coincided with an explosion of college sports media. Now we're seeing the second arms race in NIL, but college sports media is already saturated.

 

[aeroclone]

Take the moral argument out of it, and it's terrible for the college sports media industry. It's good for the players now in the short-term (say next 5-10 years), but college sports and college sports media is in a textbook massive bubble.

The problem is people are viewing NIL and the potential of a CFB superleague from the bottom-up. Is it good for players now? Of course. Is it good for the some of teams at the top right now? Yes. I just don't think it can last.

Look at it from the industry as a whole, then work your way down over the long-term. Attendance and viewership trends have not been good for college sports for years, yet TV media dollars have continued to grow, coach's salaries have exploded, and now with NIL you have what essentially is a new massive operating expense that does not generate new viewership. Between the schools paying directly or indirectly, having to pay admin costs to deal with it, or the diversion of donor dollars from AD operating budgets and capital projects directly to NIL, it's a massive new expense for athletic departments.

And the NIL-driven transfers are more likely to cost customers for the industry as a whole through increased roster turnover and lack of competitive balance. The superleague idea probably does the same. College sports are not competively balanced now. But there's just enough of at least the perception that "my team is in the club" that people watch. That illusion is powerful. When that's gone, it's going to cost the industry customers.

So basically with both of these moves you will have an industry that shrinks overall. That might still be OK for the teams at the top, as they will get a big increase in market share. But we don't really know how that will hold up in the long-term.

But this is textbook industry bubble stuff - Arms race and media race run up expenses that greatly outpace the growth of the customer base and its willigness to pay, have a massive new direct or indirect operating expense that the industry can't valorize (NIL), have the fight for market share drive decisions that shrink the industry as a whole.

I agree with most of this, but I'm not so sure about growth of market share for teams at the top. If I stop following or investing as much in ISU in this new world, I'm not going to replace that with KU hoops or OU football. I'm either going to give more time and money to the pros, or something outside of sports. College sports fandom isn't as mobile as the pros. Most fans are here due to life history or personal connections to a school that can't be replaced with another institution.

 

[Marcelason78]

Hasn’t talked to any schools yet? Unlikely. If not schools directly, then probably a middleman… which is basically the same.

Agree. This process seems almost as seedy as Adidas and their 'victim' proclaiming partner KU.
We'll probably never know, but it would interesting to hear how much Hunter was really 'worth'.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

Considering Tyrese's background/history, I'm happy for him if he gets paid. However, it's a travesty for Iowa State basketball and really for college athletics in general.

I will not be financially supporting this sort of thing. Paying kids the type of money we are talking about to play a game...and then to at the same time give them a free education is absurd. Especially when you consider the other places that money could be going - people in the Ukraine, the homeless, research for cancer and Alzheimer's...the list goes on. Let the kids work on learning their skills in college (just like our future pharmacists, doctors, and engineers)...and then they can go get paid.

 

[heitclone]

Agree. This process seems almost as seedy as Adidas and their 'victim' proclaiming partner KU.
We'll probably never know, but it would interesting to hear how much Hunter was really 'worth'.

It's literally the same process as the adidas stuff. Middle men negotiating for their piece of the pie.

 

[CyJack13]

I bought the racecar with my extra housing money. Which is an illustration that shows scholarship athletes already get everything taken care of and then have excess.

I'm not against it because I didn't get paid. Getting paid was the last thing I was thinking about, I just wanted to play football, hang out with my friends and have fun with girls.

If you are worried about getting paid just go pro.

They don't need to go pro, they can stay in college and get paid. Progress!

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I have found your Billionaire - ISUCyclones2015 seems to think money is easy to come by and everyone should be giving funds left and right because it is 'nothing' to do so.

It’s OK that we’re a cheap fan base it’s just our culture. But that same fan base shouldn’t be mad about being poached when we’re not gonna step up and do anything about it.

 

[Halincandenza]

I do think the way this is working right now isn't going to last long. Someone's breaking out over $1 million for the big guy at Kentucky. But if they don't win again, was that really worth it? Just like the OU QB. At some point these big donors will get burned enough the money will start coming down because no one likes throwing away that kind of money.