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Caleb Swanigan dead at 25
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My first guess is anabolic steroids.
Shhh...this site doesn't like evidence that negates the anti-Prohm narrative.I think this simple narrative is more legend than fact.
Prohm started with a "normal" lineup and went small pretty early. Young played 20 minutes, Bowie played 13, and Nick played three minutes. Every other minute was played by a guard (assuming Burton counts as one).
Purdue built and held a lead despite that. What changed the game around was hot shooting.
The Iowa State run to go from down 19 to up 2 consisted of...
Naz three
Monté made two free throws
Bowie two
Thomas two
Monté two
Jackson three
Monté three
Monté two
Thomas two (down three)
Burton two
Burton two
Burton three
Burton made two free throws
Thomas two (ties the game)
Burton made two free throws
Burton then, bless his heart, was "feeling it" and... shot the team out of the game. The scoring drought from 3:10 to 0:53 let a two-point lead turn into a three-point deficit, and they could not pull it out.
Iowa State possessions after being up two --
Burton miss
Monté turnover
Naz turnover
Burton two
Monté made two free throws
Monté missed three
Four points on six possessions = 0.67 points per possession... not great.
The deficit had already dropped from 19 to three by the time Burton started to go off, which was certainly helpful, but it wasn't enough to win the game. And often is the case with hot shooting, when it turns cold, things can go very badly for you very quickly, which was what happened the last three minutes of that game.
I think a more reasonable reading of the facts of that game is Purdue started strong, Iowa State made some adjustments to put more guards on the court, but Purdue maintained its lead until Iowa State unleashed hellfire from three (mostly Naz, Monté, and Jackson). But then the hellfire froze over, either from cold shooting or Purdue having made some adjustments back against the shooting-centric lineup, and closed it out after weathering the storm. It sucks, certainly, but I don't see any evidence that an immediate small lineup would have won the game. Indeed, it had its chance.
That same small lineup had a two-point lead with 3:10 left and managed to lose by four.
They ran me out of the Cave because I was too good at presenting evidence counter to their narrative.
Nothing pisses people off nowadays like hard facts that conflict with their preferred version of reality.
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Coach Steve Prohm killed Caleb Swanigan...
JK...
And I hope that's obvious.
It is a sad story. I remember that game not so fondly, although I was and still am proud that we made a game of it when we were down by so much. Swanigan was an absolute beast. May his soul find peace.
JK...
And I hope that's obvious.
It is a sad story. I remember that game not so fondly, although I was and still am proud that we made a game of it when we were down by so much. Swanigan was an absolute beast. May his soul find peace.
Doyel: Purdue's Caleb 'Biggie' Swanigan escaped brutal childhood, but story ends at age 25
We are crying today for Purdue's Caleb Biggie Swanigan, for the demons he had to overcome as a child, and the demons he couldn't overcome as an adult.
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I think the biggest thing I see looking back at that game was assists difference. ISU had 14 (9 from Monte) on 30 made buckets, Purdue 27 on 31 made buckets. That's crazy. I feel like that is the common theme we saw from Steve's teams that struggled. A lot of 1 on 1 offense that was stagnant and predictable when he didn't have a guy with the hot hand. Super susceptible to the peaks and valleys we saw in this game.I think this simple narrative is more legend than fact.
Prohm started with a "normal" lineup and went small pretty early. Young played 20 minutes, Bowie played 13, and Nick played three minutes. Every other minute was played by a guard (assuming Burton counts as one).
Purdue built and held a lead despite that. What changed the game around was hot shooting.
The Iowa State run to go from down 19 to up 2 consisted of...
Naz three
Monté made two free throws
Bowie two
Thomas two
Monté two
Jackson three
Monté three
Monté two
Thomas two (down three)
Burton two
Burton two
Burton three
Burton made two free throws
Thomas two (ties the game)
Burton made two free throws
Burton then, bless his heart, was "feeling it" and... shot the team out of the game. The scoring drought from 3:10 to 0:53 let a two-point lead turn into a three-point deficit, and they could not pull it out.
Iowa State possessions after being up two --
Burton miss
Monté turnover
Naz turnover
Burton two
Monté made two free throws
Monté missed three
Four points on six possessions = 0.67 points per possession... not great.
The deficit had already dropped from 19 to three by the time Burton started to go off, which was certainly helpful, but it wasn't enough to win the game. And often is the case with hot shooting, when it turns cold, things can go very badly for you very quickly, which was what happened the last three minutes of that game.
I think a more reasonable reading of the facts of that game is Purdue started strong, Iowa State made some adjustments to put more guards on the court, but Purdue maintained its lead until Iowa State unleashed hellfire from three (mostly Naz, Monté, and Jackson). But then the hellfire froze over, either from cold shooting or Purdue having made some adjustments back against the shooting-centric lineup, and closed it out after weathering the storm. It sucks, certainly, but I don't see any evidence that an immediate small lineup would have won the game. Indeed, it had its chance.
That same small lineup had a two-point lead with 3:10 left and managed to lose by four.
That’s what got us back in that game. Burton just ball hogging and taking over the game. “Team ball” doesn’t always win games.
Fred and TJ both emphasized how many assists on made baskets during postgame press conferences.
This is true but happened under Hoiberg a lot, too.
Monté said it best when asked to define Hoiball --
"It is really isolation basketball but concentrating on creating mismatches in those isolations."
Georges and Monté wasn't hitting that night, well, you probably were not going to win.
So a high usage rate for one player wins games, not scoring more points than the other team?
You're a genius!
I think this simple narrative is more legend than fact.
Prohm started with a "normal" lineup and went small pretty early. Young played 20 minutes, Bowie played 13, and Nick played three minutes. Every other minute was played by a guard (assuming Burton counts as one).
Purdue built and held a lead despite that. What changed the game around was hot shooting.
The Iowa State run to go from down 19 to up 2 consisted of...
Naz three
Monté made two free throws
Bowie two
Thomas two
Monté two
Jackson three
Monté three
Monté two
Thomas two (down three)
Burton two
Burton two
Burton three
Burton made two free throws
Thomas two (ties the game)
Burton made two free throws
Burton then, bless his heart, was "feeling it" and... shot the team out of the game. The scoring drought from 3:10 to 0:53 let a two-point lead turn into a three-point deficit, and they could not pull it out.
Iowa State possessions after being up two --
Burton miss
Monté turnover
Naz turnover
Burton two
Monté made two free throws
Monté missed three
Four points on six possessions = 0.67 points per possession... not great.
The deficit had already dropped from 19 to three by the time Burton started to go off, which was certainly helpful, but it wasn't enough to win the game. And often is the case with hot shooting, when it turns cold, things can go very badly for you very quickly, which was what happened the last three minutes of that game.
I think a more reasonable reading of the facts of that game is Purdue started strong, Iowa State made some adjustments to put more guards on the court, but Purdue maintained its lead until Iowa State unleashed hellfire from three (mostly Naz, Monté, and Jackson). But then the hellfire froze over, either from cold shooting or Purdue having made some adjustments back against the shooting-centric lineup, and closed it out after weathering the storm. It sucks, certainly, but I don't see any evidence that an immediate small lineup would have won the game. Indeed, it had its chance.
That same small lineup had a two-point lead with 3:10 left and managed to lose by four.
Run Burton isolation, regardless of who else we played or if he was "5"...didn't do it at all first 30 minutes of the game and it seemed unstoppable when we finally ran it a few times in a row. When they had Swanigan on him in particular it was laughable like some old dude at the Y trying to guard him.
Fred or anybody who has watched an NBA game as a fan would've seen it sooner. Nice guy, I'd take an experienced NBA2k video game player from some random college dorm to call plays though.
It's sad but no more sad than countless thousands of other early deaths in the news constantly. I'd expect the thread to be mostly about our high profile game against him...especially when the game seemed to hinge on the fact that we didn't realize we could abuse the guy on defense (and that's why he didn't pan out at next level).
Sigmapolis, is 2-22 a good or bad piece of evidence? Prohm was trash, and no amount of statistical analysis will disprove that.
Burton had a usage of 34.5% for 33 minutes during that game.
Here is the all-time leaderboard for playoff usage rate in NBA history --
I find it hard to see playoff Jordan-/Iverson-level usage as underutilizing a guy.
The Legend: Burton was destroying Purdue! Prohm held him back! We would have run away from it!
Reality: Burton had a good but not superlative game (high usage but middling TS of 55%, 7/16 from two and 2/4 from three but 5/6 from the line, ORTG of 106.3, no turnovers and no assists good for 25 points). He had a nice little burst with about 4-5 minutes left that helped the team go from down three to up two (after being down 19) that produced a highlight dunk that put Swanigan on a poster, but he wasn't dominating the game otherwise.
The other guards, who were generating turnovers and making shots during the rest of the run, especially Monté, deserve way more credit for getting Iowa State back into that game than one sexy dunk.
Further Reality: Purdue isn't stupid. Matt Painter isn't a bad coach. Burton got a bad switch onto him with Swanigan once and made them pay for it, but the Boilermakers weren't going to stand back and let that happen over over again. Indeed, that is what they did -- that small ISU lineup went from up two to down four by the end. Just running a good play that worked once over and over again works on 2K against dumb computers but not humans.
Matt Thomas should be the hero of that game if anybody.
37 minutes
181.6 ORTG (!!!)
91% TS
7/7 from two
2/4 from three
20 pounds
3 assists, no turnovers
6 rebounds
That was quietly some incredible volume and efficiency. Burton had the volume but not the efficiency.
Did you make a typo when you said Burton shot the team out of the game in final 3:10? He was 1 for 2 from field, 2-2 from FT with a rebound and a block? Taking two shots, missing one shot and making two FTs in 3 minutes is "shot the team out of the game"?
Did you mean to say we went away from the ISO play the last 3 minutes for no reason?
A bit of hyperbole -- what really killed the team at the end was those turnovers. Sucks the last few sequences of Monté Morris' college career, the King of the Assist-to-Turnover Ratio, had his career end like that.
What were we doing when they ran the lead down from 19 to 3?
Remember, the Burton iso only got the score from -3 to +2 for a swing of 5.
What happened during the swing of 16? It wasn't the Burton iso. He didn't score.
