Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

CoKane

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OR…how about this…you merge the Big 12 and PAC and cement your position without more turbulence from defections (if the money is there). USC and UCLA are gone now, what’s the next best thing? It should make all the leftover PAC teams happy, unless they all want out.
Because there's not really a reason to do that when you can aim for the pairings of Oregon and Washington, then the Arizonas, then Utah and Colorado and not have to cut in the less desirable Pac 12 schools too
 

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Why are some people so comfortable abandoning the eastern time zone in favor of the Pacific time zone? Isn’t one of the P12’s major problem that people don’t watch the late games? Why would we be in favor of PT over ET? I’m for both, but surprised how many are ready to casually drop ET!
 

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Not exactly sure.
I do hope that somehow the big ten swallows Cal to gain UCLA. That would basically sink the PAC 12 and open up shots at the rest
 

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Just getting caught up on all this. One thing that I really think people are missing is the geographic diversity is actually by design. I actually think the Big Ten will end up grabbing at least two more West Coast teams, because they're actually using the geographic diversity to strengthen their TV offers.

Multiple teams on the West coast allows the Big Ten to put together packages that will allow networks to show football from 11:00 AM to 12:30 AM on Saturdays. With the West coast teams, they're essentially entering an entirely new game window that they can sell. If the Big Ten gets creative, they can also sell double-header TV packages on Thursday and Friday nights. They would simply start a game on the East coast at 7:00 local time and follow it with a game that starts at 7:00 local time on the West coast. If the first game overruns, it really doesn't matter, because Thursday and Friday night are pretty lean, so ESPN/Fox/Amazon can simply put the game on another network/feed.

It may not be the best for fans of those teams, but could mean big, big money on their next TV deal.
You will never get caught up, this thread has been growing like a Cali wild fire, since it started. You just try to do your best.....

So Much for a nice quiet holiday weekend.....:jimlad:
 
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Why are some people so comfortable abandoning the eastern time zone in favor of the Pacific time zone? Isn’t one of the P12’s major problem that people don’t watch the late games? Why would we be in favor of PT over ET? I’m for both, but surprised how many are ready to casually drop ET!
What do you suggest we do? Add Temple and UConn?
 

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Because there's not really a reason to do that when you can aim for the pairings of Oregon and Washington, then the Arizonas, then Utah and Colorado and not have to cut in the less desirable Pac 12 schools too

Call me a traditionalist, I just don’t think those other schools are all worthless. But even then, they’re outnumbered now.
 

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OR…how about this…you merge the Big 12 and PAC and cement your position without more turbulence from defections (if the money is there). USC and UCLA are gone now, what’s the next best thing? It should make all the leftover PAC teams happy, unless they all want out.
Yep. Merge the Big 12 and remaining Pac-12. Even if a few more get picked of, that's okay. Allow WVU, UCF, and Cinci to all talk with the ACC and move there if the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise be ready to pick up the leftovers of the ACC after Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC, UVA, and/or VT leave.
 

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Why are some people so comfortable abandoning the eastern time zone in favor of the Pacific time zone? Isn’t one of the P12’s major problem that people don’t watch the late games? Why would we be in favor of PT over ET? I’m for both, but surprised how many are ready to casually drop ET!
Is every game going to be late? You may not be able to have 11am games out there, but you certainly can still have 2:30 or 6 pm games. Plus ETZ teams are not available.
 

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The argument for not going after all 4 immediately is that they don't want to implode the PAC for fear of lawsuits (remember Baylor's statements during realignment). By taking these two, you get the ball rolling and might be able to get the conference to dissolve on its own, freeing up UW and Oregon.
But the Pac12 TV deal ends in 12 months vs 48 months for OU/UT.

With the loss of USC & UCLA what kind of TV Contract would be available? 75% of the current agreement? IMO at best.

The remaining 10 teams don't have the luxury of waiting on legal wrangling. At best they would need to convince Big12 that remaining 10 have value to Big12 as a group. But just like SEC & Big10- the Big12 probably only wants the top x schools. No way I see Wash St & Oregon St options. Everyone else yes.
 

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Could be, I could see the ACC taking schools like WV and UCF after they get poached to even things out. ACC as the 2nd tier east conference, Big 12 as the 2nd Tier western conference.


All they have to do is convince ESPN and FOX to make a rule to force Notre Dame to join a conference. That conference would be the ACC. Then the ACC is fine. The money, academics, and tradition in that conference rivals the SEC and BIG 10 all day. Virginia, Carolina, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Va Tech, Duke, etc....????? That's a lot of tradition, pride, fans, alumni & money. Plus, it's in the Sun Belt. The ACC probably isn't going anywhere.
 

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Yep. Merge the Big 12 and remaining Pac-12. Even if a few more get picked of, that's okay. Allow WVU, UCF, and Cinci to all talk with the ACC and move there if the opportunity parents itself. Otherwise be ready to pick up the leftovers of the ACC after Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC, UVA, and/or VT leave.
If this goes how it looks where we basically pick up half+ of the Pac and look at quite a bit more revenue than the ACC, I dont think any team will be looking to join them, considering they will know the next domino will be the SEC and B1G picking off their top schools, and they will be looking back at the Big 12. Right now the Big 12 looks solidly in 3rd place and seams to be putting a substantial gap on the ACC and PAC....which looks to be circling the drain.
 

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Call me a traditionalist, I just don’t think those other schools are all worthless. But even then, they’re outnumbered now.
I don't think I'd call them worthless either, but I also don't think there's a reason the Big 12 would want to include them either.

Feel like people are acting like the Big 12 is also still on its deathbed when we're really not anymore. Adding 4 of Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, and the Arizonas is good enough to lock our future in and put us in a strong spot
 

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What’s going to happen to their beach volleyball program?


I know the question was facetious, but this is going to completely mess up college beach volleyball. The top two programs in the nation left the best beach volleyball conference. The Pac schools and USC/UCLA will probably battle it out to grab the Big West and West Coast Conference Schools.
 

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But the Pac12 TV deal ends in 12 months vs 48 months for OU/UT.

With the loss of USC & UCLA what kind of TV Contract would be available? 75% of the current agreement? IMO at best.

The remaining 10 teams don't have the luxury of waiting on legal wrangling. At best they would need to convince Big12 that remaining 10 have value to Big12 as a group. But just like SEC & Big10- the Big12 probably only wants the top x schools. No way I see Wash St & Oregon St options. Everyone else yes.

Honestly, I don't see the value in Cal or Stanford. If they were valuable, the PAC TV deal would be worth more. It wasn't just OSU and WSU dragging that down.

Anything beyond the 6 talked about teams is a non-starter for me.