California is the contract swap here. I don't think anyone wants California for a purely athletics move, lets be honest. The B1G at this juncture doesn't have to make these kinds of moves. They have southern California. They really don't even need Stanford, but their capability in every sport and their academic prestige make them far more attractive than California. I think California is UCLA without the basketball program, and since UCLA has made the move, they are out. The B1G doesn't need two.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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"Short term financial decision" ?????
Is this clown thinking in 5 years the PAC broadcast rights payouts will be on par with the Big 10 or SEC financially?
Very true. The money boost will only be a temporary band-aid, but the mismanagement will lead them back to the same situation unless they get things in order.
It is amazing that some of these schools with high volumes of revenue (Power 5 TV deals) have such bad financials. Heck, even the team out east had financial issues coming out of pandemic lockdown and they are already in the BIG.
To your second point, I liked the joke that Jeff Foxworthy said. "Smart people save and invest for retirement. Rednecks play the lottery."
Iowa was 200MM+ in debt going into the pandemic. Throw the 50 MM they went backwards that year and they were a good quarter billion behind after 2020.
Short term financial decision was what Colorado did when they left the Big12. No one will make that mistake again. Which is why I'm sure these schools will want to see actual contract offers instead of believing what the conferences claim they'll make.
UCLA saw the money and was done being promised that next big contract from the PAC.
This guy is starting to make Larry Scott look like a genius. Scott, Kliakov and Warren are guys that when they speak in public you wonder how the hell they got to the point in life they did. They say some pretty dumb stuff.
Sure, it's an option for Stanford, Oregon and Washington to wait, and hope they get into the B10, but that option is not there for the 4 corner schools, and if the B10 comes calling in a couple of years, they could be screwed. If they are going to end up in the B12 in a few years, why not announce it now, and be done with it.
This argument is overblown.
The Pac12 includes schools in Arizona and Utah which aren't bastions of progressive politics or culture. Its a feel good/elitism mantra that gets set-aside when reality or money presents itself.
Look at BYU's schedule over the last 4 full seasons:
- 2022: Oregon & Stanford
- 2021: Arizona, Utah, Arizona State, Washington State & USC
- 2019: Utah, USC & Washington
- 2018: Arizona, Cal, Washington & Utah
Look at Notre Dame's schedule. Sure ND is a more progressive Catholic university, but look at the Pac12 schools lined up to play them:
- 2022: Cal, USC & Stanford
- 2018/2019/2021: USC & Stanford
Like the saying goes: "Money talks, Bull$hit walks"
Ever heard of a girl playing "hard to get".
Some of the wait is timing AND business investment decisions sometimes take weeks or months to sort out.
In the case of Pac12 schools - its a negotiation. And appearing desperate doesn't lend to getting what you want out of a negotiation.
The corner schools have a year to act. They know the Big12 will take them tomorrow or next June. Who know if there is an outside force (aka Media Partner) that would create some urgency.
A commissioner melting down like he’s in a game thread on a fan site. I’m here for all of it.
For all of Bowlsby’s lack of fit, which was on the presidents more than him, when he faced an adversarial ESPN and OUT, he went after them. He didn’t go after the PAC.
That exemplifies the PAC’s weakness
The biggest issue I see with everything is timing for money. We blew our OUT exit money on the four new schools coming, iirc. So we have that year in there where we would need to renegotiate or take a good hit to bring anyone in. An extra year in the PAC may not be a bad thing for the big XII to get things squared away.
I seriously wonder if some on this forum know where the CA schools are located within the state.
Why would a Pac school move without knowing the actual number they would get. That won't come for a long time. I would guess that would be part of media negotiation and in any future contract. Would cover any potential adds or departures.
Why would a Pac school move without knowing the actual number they would get. That won't come for a long time. I would guess that would be part of media negotiation and in any future contract. Would cover any potential adds or departures.
According to the Athlon podcast, they don't have a year, but 30 days till they find out their rights deal. They may have a year technically, but we could see a lot of activity in 30 days. The key is what someone like CBS can offer the Big 12 if Oregon and Washington are in mix. I really think the Big 10 is really interested in Miami, besides of course, ND.
It’s not true we’d take all 4 next June if BIG moves first.
Where are they going to go if there’s no PAC? They’d all need to appreciably add to revenue, and more revenue than ACC schools we may wait for.
If the money is about the same either way, 1-2 of the 4 corners could easily have to wait in the mountain west while we wait on ACC.
Then there’s the outside chance enough of the R8 take an offer from ESPN to go to ACC with Cincinnati and Houston, knowing the enough of the other R8 goes to desperate PAC, snd dissolution occurs. Which is disastrous for 4 corners if BIG then takes top of PAC
Apologize if I missed this, but where has Arizona been public at all about this? Hasn't it just been assumptions and interpretations by media folks looking for clicks?
They have to about the end of the week to know what their specific TV rights partner will negotiate. Then it opens up if they don’t strike something.
I think the 30 days was due to the expected announcement of the B1G media rights which is expected this month and what is means. CW and Blum mentioned in their pod depending on how it is written (length/clause to add teams during the deal) would directly affect the PAC10 GOR. Once Big10 and Fox finalize the deal we can likely see who and when the next move is gong to happen.
In the end it may come down to if the corner 4 is willing to sign a short term deal to just put off the breakup and see if their situation changes or jump for security now to the Big 12.
The 4 corner schools can get a full share if they move now, if the B10 takes a couple more schools from the P12, then the 4 corner schools still get the invite, but it comes with a graduated timeline for a full share.
You are correct, they have nowhere else to go, but the B12 does, they can just wait for the ACC schools to open up. All of these schools will make their intentions know when the P12 asked for the GOR rights. If they refuse to grant them, and they should, then the conference is as good as dead, it's a matter of when not if.
I don't think it's as simple as the Corner schools saying yes or no, so they have a year to wait. Right now, while the PAC still has a chance to hold together, the corner schools have at least some leverage in negotiating share percentage and schedule. If UW, Stanford, Oregon, go to the Big 10, those schools' options are basically taking what the Big 12 gives them or losing power conference status and playoff access, which will be an absolute death sentence to a football program.
It's going to take a while, because I'm sure there have been some what ifs between the schools and the Big 12 on share and schedule. This isn't really a two-sided deal. It's multiple schools on both sides of the negotiating table, so it's going to take time no matter what. The USC and UCLA deal was fast because frankly the Big 10 wanted USC, so they quickly went to full share out of the gates, which is the offer too good to turn down.
My guess is if the Big 12 had offered to any of these schools a full media share from day 1, they'd have accepted already.
