He was good at flushing the pocket and had the best tight end in school history and two of our best running backs for safety valves.
He often didn't see open receivers or was late in his timing likely because he wasn't seeing it develop.
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He often didn't see open receivers or was late in his timing likely because he wasn't seeing it develop.
People don’t want to hear the truth when it’s not positive…. you’re gonna get an earful.
Wrong is just wrong. Results show you are wrong but don’t let actual results get in your way.
Did it have anything to do with the offensive line play?
His completion % doesn't back your statement.
What was his completion percentage/ usage over 25 yards? Real slingers stay in the pocket. Brock's line wasn't great but it was good enough for him to hit people on intermediate routes. He flushed the pocket way too often and when he didn't need to. He also threw off his back foot when he needed to step into his throws. He needed the lift to get it over his line/defenders which amounted to many dead ducks and interceptions.
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I don't know that answer. An offensive strategy is driven first and foremost by the offensive line, then RB skill, then do we have speed or possession receivers?
His over 25 yard completions were more driven by lack of speed at receivers and a weak offensive line then by his arm strength, imo.
We didn't create a ton of separation early but that's hard to do with a cushion. Often X would break open but Brock didn't stay in the pocket or have the arm strength to get there. The line wasn't great but it wasn't atrocious, and it was better at pass blocking than run blocking.
very little cushion equals little speed
Brock has one constatnt theme in his four years - he was generally running for his life
I respect your guys' back and forth on this issue.
For me, it's sort of a "chicken or the egg" thing in my head. Yes, at time Brock's O-Line has failed him and would case him to get out of the pocket. But I also think Brock tends to get happy feet and he bolts before he should/needs to. Our O-Line has been somewhat competent and would give 3/4 seconds sometimes but Brock would still roll out.
Brock isn't a stand-up in the pocket guy and sling it around. The arm strength just isn't there for him to do that. Where he does his most damage is when he's on the move and the receivers find open holes as he's on the move. He was very good at that and was usually on target when moving.
I noticed in the 4th QTR of the Niners game the other night, Brock would leave the pocket early, too. Now he did get pressured a few times, though.
I’ll agree that Brock ran around a lot but it wasn’t just because of occasional poor line play. Now, there were certainly a couple games (OU game) where I’d fault the line far more than Brock, but it was usually a combination of the two.
If Brock’s first / second option wasn’t open, it didn’t matter if there was pressure, he would start floating to his right out of the pocket. Baker Mayfield used to do the same thing in college. I’m assuming it has to do with comfortability back there while only being barely over 6 feet.
Brock also wasn’t very comfortable throwing it deep. A lot of things had to align for him to put a good ball out there.
If Brock’s first / second option wasn’t open, it didn’t matter if there was pressure, he would start floating to his right out of the pocket. Baker Mayfield used to do the same thing in college. I’m assuming it has to do with comfortability back there while only being barely over 6 feet.
Brock also wasn’t very comfortable throwing it deep. A lot of things had to align for him to put a good ball out there.
TIL that Rodgers and Favre weren’t slingers, they rolled out and moved around all the time to extend plays.
Brock’s biggest issue was a tendency to throw it after the receiver broke. Routes are meant (outside the deep ones ) to use the break to open up the receiver in man coverage so the greatest separation is about two steps after the break. Brock seemed to throw those after the break quite often which allowed the defenders to recover some.
Brock is better against zone coverage then man coverage.
No way, you're over simplifying things again. Shocking. Those two had strong arms, Brock does not.
Rodgers and Favre could throw a football over them mountains. Even if they did scramble they still had arm strength to sit in the pocket to get the ball where they wanted
QBs are told since middle school that you have 3 seconds to get rid of it, then the blame for getting sacked is on the QB not the line. So most will get that internal clock that will tell them when receiver gets so far into a route that they have hit time and it’s time to move because the pocket is collapsing most likely. Why QBs will sometimes scramble when there is no need to, just drills they did way back when that was ingrained into them.
Bad habits. Poor coaching. Lack of physical tools. Brock won't make it past practice squad if he doesn't learn to throw people open, and that means standing in the pocket and stepping into his throws with confidence, on time.
Receivers had a step often on those long int's.
Hakeem Butler covered that up.
I don't know why people can't see that.
Purdy was fantastic and a warrior for the program.
He also has/had limitations.
i don't think anyone is claiming to be an expert- just giving their opinions.
whats your expert analysis?
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